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US planned nerve gas tests on Aussies


Claiming you typed up a joke doesn't get you of the hook ..... if anyone believes that was a joke then I can now see how Kevin Rudd got voted into government back in Australia.

You asked how to deliver such weapons in the field.

I replied by pointing you in the direction of someone who would have access to that knowledge.

In the reply you posted you have deemed the US correct for entering Iraq.



Nothing wrong with that San-Quar, because the US were correct to enter Iraq.
 
Claiming you typed up a joke doesn't get you of the hook ..... if anyone believes that was a joke then I can now see how Kevin Rudd got voted into government back in Australia.
Well, it sounds like someone doesn't want a free ticket when I make the second round of raw comedy 2009.

You asked how to deliver such weapons in the field.

I asked Tysonboss1. Now your name is Superfly. See the difference? Here's that part of my actual post so we can read it again together:
"TysonBoss1, with the nerve agents mostly liquid or solid, what is the most effective way for solids to be spread over the target area?
I assumed it was a chemical reaction to turn the agent into a gas on deployment and wind was the carrier."


See, silly buns, I was just curious from a purely scientific point of view how a solid is actually spread over a large area. Tyson seemed knowlegable on the subject. I wanted some info to go discuss it further on a science forum.


I replied by pointing you in the direction of someone who would have access to that knowledge.
Again, your name is Superfly. Lovely a name it is, it's not TysonBoss1. So me being me, decided to have a little laugh at your expense.
As you decided to throw in one Mr Hussien's name into the equation, I decided to play on that with the other real work I was also looking at at the time. I was looking at staffing levels and who had building blue cards, fork lift tickets and the like..... Look it's ruined the joke now, but lets say I tried to juxtapose.

In the reply you posted you have deemed the US correct for entering Iraq.
Could you please highlight and quote where I said that. I can't find it. What was on my mind was the sarin attacks on the Tokyo underground, actually.



Nothing wrong with that San-Quar, because the US were correct to enter Iraq.
Now, I don't know either way on that, but I do know it sounds like you need a big hug. I wish I could just put my arms around you for a big man hug, ya big softy!


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What was on my mind was the sarin attacks on the Tokyo underground, actually.
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The tokyo underground attacks were fortunatly pretty poorly done. It basically used a bladder of sarin thrown on the floor and then popped with an umbrella,...

The theory that was used was that the sarin would offgas in the enclosed space quickly enough to kill alot of people, fortunatly the sarin was not pure so it didn't offgas as fast as it normally would.

Had they used an aerosol or small explosive charge to make the agent airbourne quicker it would have been a much higher death toll.
 
Interesting and yes fortunate the Tokyo attacks were so crude. I'd always assumesd that in gas form there was just an nerve agent and a bonding agent compressed with air in an aerosol style delivery system.
 
Interesting and yes fortunate the Tokyo attacks were so crude. I'd always assumesd that in gas form there was just an nerve agent and a bonding agent compressed with air in an aerosol style delivery system.

sarin in particular will readily evaporate, into a vapour but yes an aerosol will obviously speed up the process.

The fact that sarin will disperse from a liquid into a vapour so readily means that it is the most deadly of the warfare agents at first, but also means it's affect on an area is pretty short lived, where as VX is more oily and won't offgas into a vapour so it's not as much of a risk as the airbourne agents however this is a trade off with it being much more persistant and affecting an area for possibly months,

The most affective weapons would use both sarin and VX, so the sarin would kill all in the area rapidly and then the VX would coat the area killing any who attempt to move though for the next few weeks, This is why the Americans designed the VX land mine, the blast would kill the soldier ho stepped on it then the chemical would kill his mates and then hang around and kill anyone who came to find the missing platoon or collect the dead bodies,.....
 
sobering stuff.

and let's not forget that there were two terrorist attacks in the US in 2001 -
the WTC - and then the anthrax attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks


remains unsolved (?)- I thought they tracked it down to an inside job - as in some nutter in the US FBI or some such (??)

interesting they would target senators opposed to the Patriot Act

I thought they identified the type of anthrax as the same as held by the US govt / FBI whoever suggesting an inside job.. but I may well be wrong I guess. Then again, Wikipedia may well have been sanitised.
 
interesting they would target senators opposed to the Patriot Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

The Daschle letter that killed two men, postal workers .. intended for a Senator most interested in toning down the anti-terrorist hysteria the only possible motives that come to mind are pretty ugly ...


and closed down a postal facility for 26 months .....
"yes sir, I can assure you your cheque is in the mail "
But seriously - sobering stuff as well. especially when you consider the possibility that it was made to LOOK like a terrorist job.... but maybe was an inside job by ?? ..... some paranoid idiots.
 

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further clues to the fact that the "second terrorist attack" on mainland USA (namely the anthrax scare) was an inside job...

No-one found guilty in the end, but only so many places had powdered anthrax ready to send to politicians who incidentally happened to oppose new massive (some say draconian) anti-terrorist measures. :2towcents

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/02/2322142.htm?section=justin

 
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