Our market had been good for years, if investors had not gained profits to pay for the current fall, they should be eliminated from the game anyway.......Until the :fan Then the borrowed $ that didnt make the $ has to be paid back, isnt that part of the problem we are in at the moment?
Yesterday, while we were trucking through the muck, we asked the question: What happens when the FOMC "shocks" us with a rate cut? Our answer was simple””at a point, we fade the trade. We've seen this movie before, in 2001, and after a sharp Snapper, the conditional elements that precipitated the snippage were more important than the scissors itself.
Particularly when a (soon to be ex-) Fed Governor said the previous day that the FOMC wouldn't act before September unless there was an outright calamity. Nice poker face, Jane!
Listen, we get the credit seizure and understand that cheap money (or credit, as the case may be) makes the finance-based, derivative-laden, debt-dependent world go round.
And we further understand that this is the last thing the Fed wanted as they attempt to punch their way out of the Box. Dollar to donuts--metaphorically and figuratively, the Chinese can't be thrilled to see their dollar-denominated assets devalue further.
Was it an accident that the FOMC waited until expiration Friday before the shave and an ursine haircut? No shot””they know full well that expiration exacerbates volatility and wanted maximum bang for their cut to shore up psychology. What they may not know is that negative gamma works both ways.
I played the fray from the long side yesterday, buying into the abyss and sweating out the "worst case" scenario. It wasn't a blind bet””I set my stops below BKX 101.50 and loved the way they traded in the face of broader disgrace. And, consistent with the discipline that has kept me in the game, I flattened out into the bell. If a fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place, GG, I was happy to hit it and quit it.
So, what now? Consistent with what I've been saying, I'm layering into my first tranche of S&P puts with a stop above S&P 1455 (200-day) and BKX 111.50 (from where we broke down). I'm not being a hero, I'm simply trading, fading and staying discipline. It may be too cute””nobody catches every move””but I will say this.
With self-proclaimed floppers suddenly saying that this panacea will spark a 1500 point rally in the DJIA, I'm willing to take the other side of that trade in a defined risk way. I've seen that movie before too and, well, the sequel promises to be quite a calamity.
Good luck today.
R.P.
Our market had been good for years, if investors had not gained profits to pay for the current fall, they should be eliminated from the game anyway.
As for the beginners who have just started at the wrong time, that's the tuition fee they have to pay to stay & play. They'll figure it out in the long run. Don't have to punish them with higher rates.
The point I am making is I don't think Aussies are particularly extravagant in world standard yet we are paying relatively high rate in a country that has so so much minerals that other countries apparently need.
I like Todd, he is one smart cookie... and not prone to "bubblevisionthink".
Almost, almost everyone on the this entire forum has misunderstood what the Fed has done.
They have not created a swathe of unbacked cash to wash away everybodies woes.
They have not averted all the risks.
It is an overnight rate.
The move allows greater volumes to be traded. It is a move aimed to facilitate the sell off. It reduces the price volatility in the credit market stemming from lack of buyers.
It greases the wheels, allowing people to dissolve their positions in a more orderly manner.
The last thing anyone wants is panic. Panic is very expensive and very inefficient. It leads to disorderly pricing.
The best way I can describe what the Fed is trying to do is encouraging a queue to form at the exits. People are still leaving albeit there will be less collateral damage from a stampede.
The unwinding will continue for another ~3 months at least.
We still have no idea who is going to bear these loses. And it will take time for positions to unwind.
From another forum fwiw:
The unwinding will continue for another ~3 months at least.
We still have no idea who is going to bear these loses. And it will take time for positions to unwind.
People who buy up positions in this window are idiots. Pure and simple.
It's a sell off. This is like an interval. There are no profits to be made by holding stock from here.
The people who hold lots of stock (investment banks) are still losing tonnes of cash elsewhere (securities), this just means they can finance their debts a little easier.
It will give them... oh I don't know? Say three weeks (depending on how solvent or liquid they are), to go over all their books mark everything down and think about announcing the fact that they have lost fortunes the size of which they were never qualified to oversee. Otherwise they are going to jail. And they will stay there for 25+ years. They have shown grosse negligence when it comes to pricing credit risk.
If you own any shares sell them today. Take an investment holiday, and come back after the big announcement is made. We are awaiting a huge fall.
I think the Fed did exactly the right thing.
Markets were very much on edge and panic was setting in, it wouldn’t have taken much to see an irrational melt down, but taking this action has given the markets some breathing space and to let the waters clear and see how deep problems run, maybe more to come but don’t think we will see the panic that was becoming more and more evident.
They have also said no bailouts, so those who are in trouble won’t be thrown a lifeline.
Cheers
Pager
Does anyone really think this move by the Fed solves the problems in the financial sector? Mortgage brokers, banks and hedge funds are still saddled with impaired MBS and CDO's that nobody wants. A short term to solution to some short term funding issues.
I hear dead cats bouncing.
I think theyve stuck a bandaid over some open heart surgery. The bandaid will slow the bleeding but infection is bound to set in.
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