Uranium unsafe

[skc]

Anyway looks like its semi official...every-thing's under control.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/15/fukushima-15-march-summary/

Ah i just noticed someone agreeing with me in the comments.

Sorry disagreeing with you here. That's the wrong power plant.

The one that didn't blow its top.

 

[So_Cynical]

Sorry disagreeing with you here. That's the wrong power plant.

The one that didn't blow its top.

Attention has centred on units #1, 2 and 3 of the Fukushima Daiichi plant (all Boiling Water Reactors built in the 1970s). Current concern is focused on unit #2 (more below). Units 4, 5 and 6 at the site were not in service at the time of the earthquake and their situation is stable.

At a nearby plant, Fukushima Daiini, the situation is now under control, and units are in, or approaching, cold shutdown. I do not expect any further significant developments at that site

The latest news straight from the owners and operators of the 2 plants TEPCO Tokyo Electric Power Company.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html

Boths plants many reactors...all ok by the looks of it.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/15/fukushima-15-march-summary/

 

[skc]

The latest news straight from the owners and operators of the 2 plants TEPCO Tokyo Electric Power Company.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html

Boths plants many reactors...all ok by the looks of it.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/15/fukushima-15-march-summary/

The 4 reactors are ok at Fukushima Daini (means No. 2) power plant. That never had any issues.

The problems are at Fukushima Dai-ichi...

That site is out of date anyway. There was problem at Unit 4 as well whereas the article seems to think it was ok.

 

[brty]

So_Cynical,

You probably need to live up to your name with the information that is fed from those sites.

The bravenewclimate site mentions.....

Units 4, 5 and 6 at the site were not in service at the time of the earthquake and their situation is stable

Yet the PM of Japan stated there was a fire in the spent fuel pool of No. 4 and just a little while ago Nos. 5 + 6 had rising temperatures in their spent fuel pools.

The stupidity of having spent fuel pools above the reactor cores is unbelievable, along with the fact that the Boxing-day Tsunami clearly showed that high level earthquakes and large tsunamis are clearly possible in these subduction zones, yet nothing has been done to protect these reactors from this possibility.

brty

 

[GumbyLearner]

Plenty of unsafe ways to use energy. It's just that some are more economical than others.

 

[DB008]

The stupidity of having spent fuel pools above the reactor cores is unbelievable, along with the fact that the Boxing-day Tsunami clearly showed that high level earthquakes and large tsunamis are clearly possible in these subduction zones, yet nothing has been done to protect these reactors from this possibility.

brty

I also heard about this on a ABC interview last night. Putting the spent fuel rods "above" the reactor. U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E

 

[Gringotts Bank]

There was a guy just interviewed on George Negus' show, a former energy adviser to the US govt.

When asked "why don't we just do away with all these polluting fuels and use solar and wind etc." he replied...

"Because solar is identified with sissies".

He went on to say that men want to feel like they use big rough dirty fuels like coal and nukes. He had a bit of a laugh to himself. Wise old man.

I just want to say: guys, you can still be a man and use renewable energies.
I'd go for solar in a second if offered it, and I have never waxed my eyebrows, I don't wear any jewelry, I don't fuss around clothes shops like a metrosexual, and I never will.

 

[So_Cynical]

For anyone interested in the facts.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/16/fukushima-16-march-summary/

/(2011/03/16/) First, the situation is clearly (but slowly) stabilising. As each day passes, the amount of thermal heat (caused by radioactive decay of the fission products) that remains in the reactor fuel assemblies decreases exponentially. When the reactors SCRAMed on 11 March after the earthquake, and went sub-critical, their power levels dropped by about 95 % of peak output (the nuclear fission process was no longer self-sustaining). Over the past 5 days, the energy in the fuel rods dropped by another ~97 %

The above is what's not getting reported by the world's media...the lies that have been fed to the masses over the last few day by the media is nothing short of absolutely reprehensible. im genuinely appalled that even SBS has fallen into the trap of simplistic "headline" reporting...tonight SBS's reporter in Tokyo delivered his 1 minute piece to camera explaining that "the situation was deteriorating by the hour" and this after saying the exact same thing the night before. i mean how long can a situation be deteriorating by the hour and yet not come to a conclusion?

LOL situation deteriorating by the hour with all the reactors cores sub critical and safe since 15 minutes after the quake on day one. and yet no news organisation is reporting this....the channel 7 news said tonight that the number 4 reactor was on fire, apparently the building housing the number 4 reactor had a small fire that actually self extinguished, and somehow thru the power of the news this gets turned into...the reactor is on fire.

What did TEPCO have to say about the fire?...the news release is below.


Press Release (Mar 16,2011)
Fire occurrence at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 4 (2nd Release)

Press Release (Mar 16,2011)
Fire occurrence at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 4 (2nd Release)


At approximately 5:45 am, a TEPCO employee discovered a fire at
the northwest corner of the Nuclear Reactor Building while transporting
a battery to the central control room of Unit 4 of Fukushima Daiichi
Nuclear Power Station.
TEPCO immediately reported this incident to the fire department and
the local government. In addition, TEPCO also contacted related parties
about this incident and began immediate preparations to extinguish
the fire. (previously announced)

However, during an inspection at approximately 6:15 am, TEPCO staff found
no signs of fire. The area will be kept under strict surveillance.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031606-e.html

 

[Gringotts Bank]

On the ABC news, they said TEPCO had a history of covering up information from the public.

Just what you need in a nuclear power company. Laughable.

 

[Whiskers]

For anyone interested in the facts.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/16/fukushima-16-march-summary/



The above is what's not getting reported by the world's media...the lies that have been fed to the masses over the last few day by the media is nothing short of absolutely reprehensible. im genuinely appalled that even SBS has fallen into the trap of simplistic "headline" reporting...tonight SBS's reporter in Tokyo delivered his 1 minute piece to camera explaining that "the situation was deteriorating by the hour" and this after saying the exact same thing the night before. i mean how long can a situation be deteriorating by the hour and yet not come to a conclusion?

LOL situation deteriorating by the hour with all the reactors cores sub critical and safe since 15 minutes after the quake on day one. and yet no news organisation is reporting this....the channel 7 news said tonight that the number 4 reactor was on fire, apparently the building housing the number 4 reactor had a small fire that actually self extinguished, and somehow thru the power of the news this gets turned into...the reactor is on fire.

I agree So_Cynical.

I heard that information somewhere too and it just had a ring of credability to it that most of the other reporting did not.

All the experts I've heard interviewed down play any serious consequences and dismiss any chance of a Chernobyl size disaster. It's just taking time to work through checking and repairing the mechanisms to close it all down.

But some of the armchair expert reporters just keep beating up, sensationalising the explosion and radiation risk.

But having said all that, I'm not a strong pro nuclear energy proponent... but one has to build and operate these things to be able to improve on them.

 

[So_Cynical]

On the ABC news, they said TEPCO had a history of covering up information from the public.

Just what you need in a nuclear power company. Laughable.

Evidence of this..TEPCO's history of cover ups?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

For anyone interested in the facts.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/16/fukushima-16-march-summary/



The above is what's not getting reported by the world's media...the lies that have been fed to the masses over the last few day by the media is nothing short of absolutely reprehensible. im genuinely appalled that even SBS has fallen into the trap of simplistic "headline" reporting...tonight SBS's reporter in Tokyo delivered his 1 minute piece to camera explaining that "the situation was deteriorating by the hour" and this after saying the exact same thing the night before. i mean how long can a situation be deteriorating by the hour and yet not come to a conclusion?

LOL situation deteriorating by the hour with all the reactors cores sub critical and safe since 15 minutes after the quake on day one. and yet no news organisation is reporting this....the channel 7 news said tonight that the number 4 reactor was on fire, apparently the building housing the number 4 reactor had a small fire that actually self extinguished, and somehow thru the power of the news this gets turned into...the reactor is on fire.

What did TEPCO have to say about the fire?...the news release is below.


Press Release (Mar 16,2011)
Fire occurrence at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 4 (2nd Release)



http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031606-e.html

I agree So_Cynical.

I heard that information somewhere too and it just had a ring of credability to it that most of the other reporting did not.

All the experts I've heard interviewed down play any serious consequences and dismiss any chance of a Chernobyl size disaster. It's just taking time to work through checking and repairing the mechanisms to close it all down.

But some of the armchair expert reporters just keep beating up, sensationalising the explosion and radiation risk.

But having said all that, I'm not a strong pro nuclear energy proponent... but one has to build and operate these things to be able to improve on them.

Agree So Cynical,

Just chill mate.

It will be all sorted.

Big Brother has it all in hand, it's just not your big Left Brother, that's whats pissing you off.

It's a nice soft Fox.

And it will be sorted.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Garpal, you are one of the ones I was referring to in my post above. So I'm glad you understood that and took the bait.

You form your whole identity around being an old school non-sequitur slinging gangster-wanna be.

What underlies this is that your afraid someone might think that you're soft. Isn't that true? Didn't your daddy always tell you to be a tough man and handle criticisms with non-sequiturs?

I have no issues with my identity. I don't need to attach it to one thing or another the way you do.

One day I'm a fox, the next I'm something totally different. You on the other hand are rigidly attached to who you think you are.

 

[nunthewiser]

LOL .

Priceless.

this reminds me of one of those dolls where you pull the string and it comes to life

blessya


I think we need a gold star button facilty thanks Joe.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Garpal, you are one of the ones I was referring to in my post above. So I'm glad you understood that and took the bait.

You form your whole identity around being an old school non-sequitur slinging gangster-wanna be.

What underlies this is that your afraid someone might think that you're soft. Isn't that true? Didn't your daddy always tell you to be a tough man and handle criticisms with non-sequiturs?

I have no issues with my identity. I don't need to attach it to one thing or another the way you do.

One day I'm a fox, the next I'm something totally different. You on the other hand are rigidly attached to who you think you are.

Agree So Cynical,

Just chill mate.

It will be all sorted.

Big Brother has it all in hand, it's just not your big Left Brother, that's whats pissing you off.

It's a nice soft Fox.

And it will be sorted.

gg

Read it again mate.

Closely.

Otherwise I may be provoked in to depicting you as a knitter at the guillotine.

btw I never read your post mate, but will get around to it.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Tepco ref was on ABC 7pm news. Maybe they will have it on their late news also. There's plenty on Google about tepco cover ups.

Tepco bosses should be held responsible for anyone who ends up with radiation sickness or cancer as a result.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Tepco ref was on ABC 7pm news. Maybe they will have it on their late news also. There's plenty on Google about tepco cover ups.

Tepco bosses should be held responsible for anyone who ends up with radiation sickness or cancer as a result.

OK time is short. I cannot read every post on ASF.

But

Mate

You are a knitter.

Give some alternative solutions.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

My alternative, again, is solar thermal.

My gripe is that progress on alternative fuel implementation is held back by big business, and that this sort of self-centered attitude can result in unnecessary deaths. None yet, but they will come. The radiation readings are extremely high.

None of us can afford to reject alternative fuels on the basis that: "greens also like them therefore they must be sissy and useless". And yet this is exactly what seems to happen in governments. The guy was a senior energy advisor.

Something like 20% of the World's nuclear reactors lie on fault lines. That, plus the fact that we are seeing massive increase in the rate of natural disasters is enough for me to question whether nuclear should ever be used again in those areas.

We can't (any of us) choose this energy or that energy for our future based upon "well I'm a coal/oil kind of guy", in just the same way that people should not say "I like solar cos I'm an alternative kind of guy". The choice must be made INDEPENDENT of personal identity.

 

[Julia]

There was a guy just interviewed on George Negus' show, a former energy adviser to the US govt.

When asked "why don't we just do away with all these polluting fuels and use solar and wind etc." he replied...

"Because solar is identified with sissies".

What? So you are now quoting this single comment by one individual as though it were the last word in truth? That's just quite silly.

I'm sure the population at large and governments everywhere would be all too ready to adopt solar and wind if they were capable of supplying the large baseload power we need. At least at this stage, this simply isn't possible as I understand it.
I don't think it's anything at all to do with being sissy and am surprised you, who is usually sensible, should advocate such a suggestion.

On the ABC news, they said TEPCO had a history of covering up information from the public.

Just what you need in a nuclear power company. Laughable.

Can you clarify what is laughable here? Are you saying it's laughable that TEPCO should have a history of covering up info, something I don't find at all surprising, or are you saying it's laughable the ABC should suggest such a thing?

 

[Julia]

Garpal, you are one of the ones I was referring to in my post above. So I'm glad you understood that and took the bait.

You form your whole identity around being an old school non-sequitur slinging gangster-wanna be.

What underlies this is that your afraid someone might think that you're soft. Isn't that true? Didn't your daddy always tell you to be a tough man and handle criticisms with non-sequiturs?

I have no issues with my identity. I don't need to attach it to one thing or another the way you do.

One day I'm a fox, the next I'm something totally different. You on the other hand are rigidly attached to who you think you are.

Isn't this a thread about uranium safety or otherwise?
Why the need to deviate into personal insults which neither enhance the discussion or you as someone delivering said insults?