University killing in USA

bel532 · 17 April 2007

When will the Americans learn that guns kill?

They need a strong person like John Howard with the determination to withstand the assault from some in his own constituency and change the gun laws. It hasn't been perfect but it's been a change in the right direction.

Before people become too virtuous just remember we had our own massacres in the Melbourne suburb of Clifton Hill and Tasmania. We should grieve for all those families who are in pain from the loss of loved ones.

Mousie · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
we had our own massacres in the Melbourne suburb of Clifton Hill and Tasmania. We should grieve for all those families who are in pain from the loss of loved ones.

Not to forget the Monash Uni killings in 2002; I was asleep in the halls when it happened though

constable · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
When will the Americans learn that guns kill?

They need a strong person like John Howard with the determination to withstand the assault from some in his own constituency and change the gun laws. It hasn't been perfect but it's been a change in the right direction.

Before people become too virtuous just remember we had our own massacres in the Melbourne suburb of Clifton Hill and Tasmania. We should grieve for all those families who are in pain from the loss of loved ones.

After this years federal election they can have him!

bel532 · 17 April 2007

constable said:
After this years federal election they can have him!

When Johhny has gone we will remember him with nostalgia as a period when 'We never had it so good'!

I wonder if the Labour Party will stuff up the economy a la Whitlam. Who knows, maybe it has learnt something from that disastrous period when money seemed to drop from trees and they chased the 'funny money' trail a la Khemlani. Hawke and Keating certainly did, so there is some hope!

constable · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
When Johhny has gone we will remember him with nostalgia as a period when 'We never had it so good'!

I wonder if the Labour Party will stuff up the economy a la Whitlam. Who knows, maybe it has learnt something from that disastrous period when money seemed to drop from trees and they chased the 'funny money' trail a la Khemlani. Hawke and Keating certainly did, so there is some hope!

Turn it up, a three year old could have ridden the commodity boom that the liberals have unsurpisingly put down to great fiscal policy.
Regardless of that its going to be a tough ride who ever runs the government next.

Julia · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
When Johhny has gone we will remember him with nostalgia as a period when 'We never had it so good'!

I wonder if the Labour Party will stuff up the economy a la Whitlam. Who knows, maybe it has learnt something from that disastrous period when money seemed to drop from trees and they chased the 'funny money' trail a la Khemlani. Hawke and Keating certainly did, so there is some hope!

Does ramping count if it's political rather than stock related????

krisbarry · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
When will the Americans learn that guns kill?

What a stupid comment, guns don't kill, people kill

krisbarry · 17 April 2007

Its about time governments impliment in schools a "mental health" subject and start to assess mentaly unstable people at a very young age.

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Humans are not like robots....given enough stress, bad experiences in life etc and access to weapons, any sain person can become unstable and let loose.

The trick is to teach stabilitly in the mind, no mater the circumstances.

Mousie · 17 April 2007

Stop_the_clock said:
Its about time governments impliment in schools a "mental health" subject and start to assess mentaly unstable people at a very young age.

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Humans are not like robots....given enough stress, bad experiences in life etc and access to weapons, any sain person can become unstable and let loose.

The trick is to teach stabilitly in the mind, no mater the circumstances.

God help us if there're anymore governmentalisation of every little issue that crops up every now and again.

Don't you guys see the point? It's isolated incidents like this that the government pounces on to seize what little is left of our privacy inch by inch till it gets a mile high. Every little tragedy, legislate this. Every little discontentment, legislate that. It's a no-brainer: "we're just doing what the people say they want us to do" else they'll not get votes (and money and power)!

As for mentality courses? C'mon...enforced subjects are the reason why I hated going to school. Get 'em kids out in the real world ASAP to see what life's all about is what I say!

bel532 · 17 April 2007

constable said:
Turn it up, a three year old could have ridden the commodity boom that the liberals have unsurpisingly put down to great fiscal policy.
Regardless of that its going to be a tough ride who ever runs the government next.

Turn it up, there was a commodity boom in the 70's during Whiltam's time and he and his party, inspite of the boom, was able to stuff it up. Whilst one can't deny that the present minng boom has helped the current Government, it also true that it came into power BEFORE the current boom (three years out of eleven) . Remember how, during that period, and before the mining boom, we rode through the SE Asian economic crisis?

That is not to say that the present Government has done everything perfectly, economically speaking, but that is never going to happen, no matter which Government is in power. I really thought that the First Owners Grant was a bad mistake and contributed to the steep rise in property values, which, whilst it was well appreciated by property owners, has made it very difficult for those on the 'first rung' to aquire a home. And, of course, there was all that money thrown around to persuade women to have more babies!

It's not a perfect world!

Julia · 17 April 2007

Stop_the_clock said:
Its about time governments impliment in schools a "mental health" subject and start to assess mentaly unstable people at a very young age.

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Humans are not like robots....given enough stress, bad experiences in life etc and access to weapons, any sain person can become unstable and let loose.

The trick is to teach stabilitly in the mind, no mater the circumstances.

Oh, Lord, what else will we expect governments and/or the education system to do for us?

Whilst it's undoubtedly possible to teach stress control techniques, much of the mental illness which provokes such pathological behaviour as this would simply not be managed with such measures.

Wysiwyg · 17 April 2007

Stop_the_clock said:
Its about time governments impliment in schools a "mental health" subject and start to assess mentaly unstable people at a very young age.

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Humans are not like robots....given enough stress, bad experiences in life etc and access to weapons, any sain person can become unstable and let loose.

The trick is to teach stabilitly in the mind, no mater the circumstances.

Man that is powerful truth.

No one is made aware of the reasoning behind these events and smaller lead up events.

Are the causes and antagonists ever the victim.No, it is everyones fault and they won`t hurt me any more.

constable · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
Turn it up, there was a commodity boom in the 70's during Whiltam's time and he and his party, inspite of the boom, was able to stuff it up. Whilst one can't deny that the present minng boom has helped the current Government, it also true that it came into power BEFORE the current boom (three years out of eleven) . Remember how, during that period, and before the mining boom, we rode through the SE Asian economic crisis?

That is not to say that the present Government has done everything perfectly, economically speaking, but that is never going to happen, no matter which Government is in power. I really thought that the First Owners Grant was a bad mistake and contributed to the steep rise in property values, which, whilst it was well appreciated by property owners, has made it very difficult for those on the 'first rung' to aquire a home. And, of course, there was all that money thrown around to persuade women to have more babies!

It's not a perfect world!

Sound like your older than me bel so correct me if im wrong but wasn't much of australia's pain back then the result of Whitlam stripping industry of protective tarrifs? If thats the case then it was really labor that set up the level playing field policy the same one that Howard so often promotes as his parties own.
Dont get me wrong I think both the major partys suck.

dhukka · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
They need a strong person like John Howard with the determination to withstand the assault from some in his own constituency and change the gun laws.

This has to be the funniest thing I've read today and possibly this month although I did just finish reading American Psycho so proabably not this month but definitely today.

bel532 said:
We should grieve for all those families who are in pain from the loss of loved ones.

Why should we?

bel532 · 17 April 2007

dhukka said:
This has to be the funniest thing I've read today and possibly this month although I did just finish reading American Psycho so proabably not this month but definitely today.

Why should we?

Don't you like the truth? Maybe it hurts too much.

dhukka · 17 April 2007

bel532 said:
Don't you like the truth? Maybe it hurts too much.

The truth? Well the truth can be relative but here is my version of it. John Howard is a lying, weak, emasculated whelp with his face firmly implanted in the illiterate chimp G.W. Bush's ********. He has consistently lied on various issues and went against public opinion to send troops to Iraq the justification for which was based on more lies. Little Johnny boy was in the right place at the right time and any suggestion that Australia's current prosperity has anything to do with Liberal party politics is a joke.

No I'm not a sychophantic labour supporter, I'm of the same opinion as constable that both major parties bite big time.

constable · 17 April 2007

dhukka said:
The truth? Well the truth can be relative but here is my version of it. John Howard is a lying, weak, emasculated whelp with his face firmly implanted in the illiterate chimp G.W. Bush's ********. He has consistently lied on various issues and went against public opinion to send troops to Iraq the justification for which was based on more lies. Little Johnny boy was in the right place at the right time and any suggestion that Australia's current prosperity has anything to do with Liberal party politics is a joke.

No I'm not a sychophantic labour supporter, I'm of the same opinion as constable that both major parties bite big time.

"emasculated whelp" ....i like it!

bel532 · 17 April 2007

constable said:
"emasculated whelp" ....i like it!

Sounds like emasculated DRIBBLE to me. It might be better to keep it to yourself and dhukka or it might be contagious and we will all be spouting the same dribble!

You and dhukka obviously do not have very good reading skills as I did not attribute all the benefits of the sound economy over the last eleven years to the Liberal Government. But to deny that its policies had a significant influence on the economy is to deny reality.

It would also be welcome if you did not use foul, abusive language.

nomore4s · 17 April 2007

Stop_the_clock said:
Its about time governments impliment in schools a "mental health" subject and start to assess mentaly unstable people at a very young age.

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Humans are not like robots....given enough stress, bad experiences in life etc and access to weapons, any sain person can become unstable and let loose.

The trick is to teach stabilitly in the mind, no mater the circumstances.

lol, Our schools are flat out teaching our kids to read and write at any decent level, let alone handing that sort of subject over to them. I think it would be a bit dangerous.

wayneL · 17 April 2007

Stop_the_clock said:
What a stupid comment, guns don't kill, people kill

I wonder why nobody ever challenges this?

Can person kill without a gun?

Some can.

Can a gun kill without a person?

No.

Can a person kill 31 others in 20 minutes without a gun?

Not without some planning and some other weapon. (bomb, mass poisoning or something)

The truth is that guns greatly enhance the humans ability to kill. He couldn't do the same damage with a walking cane or an empty can of coke could he.

At the other end of this logic, why not allow people to carry machine guns, 3 kg of c4 and a packet of detonator, suitcase nukes? These don't kill people, people kill people.

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