StockyGuy
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As always hard to separate fact from fiction, but maybe some interesting insights into the cloak and dagger mechanics of failed attempts to take out Zelenskyy here:
Ukraine War
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Hard right wing crazies are also blaming Obama and are pro Putin to knock off the Jewish heritage President of Ukraine close the whatever the latest crazy conspiracy theory is going in their heads and enforce social conservatism. Putin doesn't put up with guys, women's rights, BLM etc.
Yes, once again the far right and far left are on the same side against everyone else. It is known as the horse shoe effect.
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Huh? Lol, that's literally what I wrote but it wasn't in the quote you used. It's cool though. Was more amusing than my tasteless gallows humour
Sorry , I completely omitted to see that you had actually written 'nuclear winter'. Should read more carefully.
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it will also put a bigger drain on the EU economy ( as well as NATO resources ) remember NATO only existed to contain the Soviet Union it has been a cash burden in search of a purpose
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Don’t forget the war against terror, especially Afghanistan. The NATO alliance was activated when the twin towers were attacked.
This whole 'Ukraine war' thing has a very manipulated history.
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European countries did spend a lot on defence until the fall of the Berlin Wall, but since the 80s have underspent and relied too heavily on the US. They are all gradually re-arming, particularly the UK. Trump motivated that a little, but Vlad probably has them all hopping now. When you have pacifist Germany and neutral Switzerland supporting Ukraine, it's a clear sign the long term stability of Europe is in question because of Russian kinetic aggression by unilaterally invading a sovereign state and committing crimes against International Humanitarian Law.
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The first open bounty on Putin.Offered by a Russian entrepreneur who (naturally) doesn't currently live in Russia. California seems a lot safer. (But I wouldn't count on it.)
fortune.com
The man who put a $1 million bounty on Putin believes the dictator's inner circle will turn on him
The same Russian millionaire who placed a $1 million bounty on Putin's head says that Putin's friends will turn their backs on him.
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The first open bounty on Putin.Offered by a Russian entrepreneur who (naturally) doesn't currently live in Russia. California seems a lot safer. (But I wouldn't count on it.)
The man who put a $1 million bounty on Putin believes the dictator's inner circle will turn on him
The same Russian millionaire who placed a $1 million bounty on Putin's head says that Putin's friends will turn their backs on him.
Good luck with that.
$1 million won't even buy an outer suburbs house in Sydney these days.
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Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and has committed war crimes, but I think NATO 'lending' fighters to Ukraine is going to tip this conflict over an edge. Better to just close Russia off economically and allow the Russian people to sort out their Animal Farm.
Lviv/Kyiv | The number of Ukrainian refugees is expected to reach 1.5 million on Sunday as Russia continued its attack 11 days after invading Ukraine and Kyiv pressed for further Western action, including more sanctions and weapons.
Moscow and Kyiv traded blame over a failed ceasefire plan that would have let civilians flee Mariupol and Volnovakha, two southern cities besieged by Russian forces. Another round of talks was tentatively planned for Monday as Ukrainians who could escape spilled into neighbouring Poland, Romania, Slovakia and elsewhere.
Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky held new talks with US President Joe Biden after the ceasefire deal collapsed.
Biden’s “administration is surging security, humanitarian, and economic assistance to Ukraine and is working closely with Congress to secure additional funding,” he told Zelenskiy on Saturday evening, according to a White House statement.
The US is working with Poland and in discussions with other NATO allies on a plan to have those countries supply warplanes to Ukraine for use against Russian forces, a White House spokesperson said.
The talks with Biden followed confusion over the proposed evacuation Saturday of non-combatants, and came after Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a fresh warning to Ukraine’s democratically elected leadership.
Russian forces resumed shelling Volnovakha after the agreement of localized cease-fires, according to Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk. Fighting was also taking place along a route meant to serve as a humanitarian corridor to evacuate some 200,000 people from the nearby port city of Mariupol.
In a televised address on Saturday night, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky called on people in areas occupied by Russian troops to go on the offensive and fight.
“We must go outside and drive this evil out of our cities,” he said, vowing to rebuild his nation. “My confidence in this is reinforced by the energy of our resistance, our protest.”
Putin earlier reiterated that he wanted a neutral Ukraine that had been “demilitarised” and “denazified,” and likened Western sanctions “to a declaration of war,” adding: “Thank God it has not come to that.”
Warplanes on agenda, Biden flags more aid
Reuters, BloombergLviv/Kyiv | The number of Ukrainian refugees is expected to reach 1.5 million on Sunday as Russia continued its attack 11 days after invading Ukraine and Kyiv pressed for further Western action, including more sanctions and weapons.
Moscow and Kyiv traded blame over a failed ceasefire plan that would have let civilians flee Mariupol and Volnovakha, two southern cities besieged by Russian forces. Another round of talks was tentatively planned for Monday as Ukrainians who could escape spilled into neighbouring Poland, Romania, Slovakia and elsewhere.
Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky held new talks with US President Joe Biden after the ceasefire deal collapsed.
Biden’s “administration is surging security, humanitarian, and economic assistance to Ukraine and is working closely with Congress to secure additional funding,” he told Zelenskiy on Saturday evening, according to a White House statement.
The US is working with Poland and in discussions with other NATO allies on a plan to have those countries supply warplanes to Ukraine for use against Russian forces, a White House spokesperson said.
The talks with Biden followed confusion over the proposed evacuation Saturday of non-combatants, and came after Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a fresh warning to Ukraine’s democratically elected leadership.
Russian forces resumed shelling Volnovakha after the agreement of localized cease-fires, according to Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk. Fighting was also taking place along a route meant to serve as a humanitarian corridor to evacuate some 200,000 people from the nearby port city of Mariupol.
In a televised address on Saturday night, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky called on people in areas occupied by Russian troops to go on the offensive and fight.
“We must go outside and drive this evil out of our cities,” he said, vowing to rebuild his nation. “My confidence in this is reinforced by the energy of our resistance, our protest.”
Putin earlier reiterated that he wanted a neutral Ukraine that had been “demilitarised” and “denazified,” and likened Western sanctions “to a declaration of war,” adding: “Thank God it has not come to that.”
$1m US would buy half of Moscow wouldn't it ?
I read the rouble is worth less than one US cent at present
Isolated Putin’s only lifeline: become Xi’s puppet
Evidence is mounting that Xi Jinping knew of Russia’s impending invasion of Ukraine and positioned China to be uniquely supportive. But why? It would suit Xi for Russia - the international pariah state - to become China’s vassal state.www.theage.com.au
I would also not be surprised if Jinping was simply egging Vlad on so he could see exactly how "The West" reacts to this invasion.
After all, it is exactly what he's planning for Taiwan isn't it!?
A clear insight into our counter re-action, gives him very important information that he can apply to his invasion tactics......if and when!!
imho only.
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Exactly. This is a trial of how the West responds to China invading Taiwan. Unfortunately for Taiwan, they have very little solid support in the SW Pacific and SE Asia due to the weakness of just about every other country in the region. Only the QUAD, ANZUS, AUKUS, FPDA, ABCA, will put up any support and defence, but they won't. While everyone thinks the US is the most important player here, I think India and Japan hold the keys here. They can shut off the SLOC from/to China from all directions at any time, practically trapping them in their current geography and unable to move. They need to signal that capability right now.
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Too cold. ?️
I have an uneasy/anxious feeling that this Ukraine war will soon spread into neighbouring countries such as Poland - NATO & US are sending heaps of military equipment/weapons & fighter jets there as we speak - Putin may think of targeting these military bases in Poland (he sees as an immediate threat being close proximity to Ukraine) to try wipe them out resulting in WW3
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I think he has already bitten of more than he can chew in Ukraine, over 60% of his forces are there, he couldn’t afford to divert more resources to another fight.I have an uneasy/anxious feeling that this Ukraine war will soon spread into neighbouring countries such as Poland - NATO & US are sending heaps of military equipment/weapons & fighter jets there as we speak - Putin may think of targeting these military bases in Poland (he sees as an immediate threat being close proximity to Ukraine) to try wipe them out resulting in WW3
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I have an uneasy/anxious feeling that this Ukraine war will soon spread into neighbouring countries such as Poland - NATO & US are sending heaps of military equipment/weapons & fighter jets there as we speak - Putin may think of targeting these military bases in Poland (he sees as an immediate threat being close proximity to Ukraine) to try wipe them out resulting in WW3
I think the Baltics would be first on the list, Latvia Estonia are surrounded by Russia, have small territory and Russian populations. A small hit and walk through invasion could be done very easily while testing Nato response.
On the other hand Poland having a population of close to 40M a big land mass, alot more and some modern weapons coupled with a deep rooted hatred of Russia since the middle ages would be a bear trap soaked in petrol and set on fire.
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Poland could stop this tomorrow, if they wanted.
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In the same way as any increased "help" from NATO to the Ukrainian gov is raising the stakes and pushing Putin to go further and further toward full Ukraine takeover ,more deaths and flattening of the actual Ukrainian regions,
I believe any action against maritime channels for China would be an act of war.
Remember Japan's start of WWII?
There is a museum of war in Tokyo where the Japaneses are taught in 2020 why WWII started ....with nice diagrams of import flow routes cut by the US.
This is still the official reason of Pearl Harbour.
a bit like our WMD in irak...
Do we want to give China the same pretext?
And yes Putin and Xi had discussion before , and Xi will support Putin both for Taiwan test and for cheaper minerals.Also because the USD/power hegemony is being destroyed.
China has a strong interest in supporting Putin.
Options aheads:
NATO and EU carry on providing weapons and throwing oil on the fire
-> half of ukraine flattened and ugly occupation war ..un winnable or nuclear tactical war to cut of weapon flow..an horror not impossible now.
Putin removed from power:
Full short US victory, Reset is unchallenged, Europe muslim in 50y, Ukranian people can breath and be safe but Taiwan is taken over within weeks.
Start of WWIII US vs China hopefully cold
Takeover of Ukraine, installation of delimitarised gov on the real Ukrainian part:
.aka imho the original plan from Putin a Finland like status.
They do what they want as long as neutral.everyone is happy .inc Xi except US and vassals.USD destroyed as sanctions just hit back on long term
Ukraine can have democracy in the half or 2/3 which is Ukrainian,.
Russian part Crimea,Dombas go back to "mother" Russia.
Taiwan doomed but maybe in a bloodless way. Aka HK style
Lastly .carry on the current mess..not sure can go much longer
Civilian evacuation blocked by Ukrainian President ..of course as population are his best weapon
always the case
At one stage,Putin has to go finish the job if only to negotiate deal.terrible for Ukraine population.
But all good,we already have stories of Ukrainian women raped, bad Russians bombing nuclear plant,soon they will be unplugging premature baby units..i hope no one has forgotten these from Kuwait invasion propaganda books?
What a mess ..
however i blame the swamp, Putin and military lobby, i really think the real blame is on the masses of uneducated people we have all become.
Sheeple to propaganda
University degrees here, in the states without having even had a single history unit, happily going to gice covid jabs to kids, chanting democracy for Ukraine while living under 3y of emergency rules, unlegal as not democratically voted discrimination laws, Australians forbidden to leave the country for 3y yet protesting again undemocratic Russia or China.
The irony.
Honestly nothing good i can see ahead.
The covid scam was a test on population submission in the West.
We passed with honors....put your seatbelt on,this will not stop there.
Reset forever....
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Jesus, do we want to replay WWII?
One nuke could end Poland. And start WWIII one and does not need to be ICBM..so no warning, no defense
Russia and Poland have a deep mutual hate as you say.
most of concentration camps were in Poland...for a reason... and more Russians died there than Jews..
And when Stalin invaded Poland, he wiped out the country...
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