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Did anyone notice what car they were in??????
Bright blue XR6 or XR8!
Now how many times do we see an over powered commodore/falcon wrapped around a tree with a p plater driving it?
I think the answer is a lot more than a p plater in a excel or any other less powerful car.
Connection between fast cars, young kids and crashes??
This happens over and over but the govt doesnt seem to want to step in and ban p platers driving over powered cars. If this occured then we may not see this as much.
i remember in the 70's when cars were made of steel and weighed a ton, and only a few high powered cars & exotic european models could achieve 100km in under 10 secs. now pretty much every car can, whether its a xr6 or an excel. shows like top gear continue to promote the ability of these cars to do so.
im not criticising top gear, or entering into the high powered cars argument, cos i dont know enough about them, but simple developments in car design mean EVERY CAR IS CAPABLE OF DOING THE DAMAGE SEEN TODAY.
the days of learning in a sturdy 15yo kingswood, falcon, sigma, morris etc are long gone, and why? cos kids want now, and parents wont tell them no.
i remember in the 70's when cars were made of steel and weighed a ton, and only a few high powered cars & exotic european models could achieve 100km in under 10 secs. now pretty much every car can, whether its a xr6 or an excel. shows like top gear continue to promote the ability of these cars to do so.
im not criticising top gear, or entering into the high powered cars argument, cos i dont know enough about them, but simple developments in car design mean EVERY CAR IS CAPABLE OF DOING THE DAMAGE SEEN TODAY.
the days of learning in a sturdy 15yo kingswood, falcon, sigma, morris etc are long gone, and why? cos kids want now, and parents wont tell them no.
But if they are pissed behind the wheel, then it doesn't make any difference does it....oh, but its speed!
I stand by my last post. An understanding of physics and forceful consequences of it should be a pre-req for Learners and P-platers.
Yes and how many of us testosterone pumped youths tried to push the limits of speed, height, distance, rules and stupidity? I could have died or been seriously injured three times in cars and on bike.
But if they are pissed behind the wheel, then it doesn't make any difference does it....oh, but its speed!
Sam, I generally agree with what you say (particularly the track driving experience). However, to dismiss the "speed" factor is naive.
If that falcon was doing 60km/h instead of 160km/h then they would have all survived.
Maybe governors should be introduced for all cars driven by "P" plate drivers. Not for the rest of us responsible drivers.
Sturdy mate?? I wouldn't say any of those cars are sturdy. Would you rather an old car for kids to learn in, with no airbags, no disc brakes, no decent tyres and handles like a boat rather than a modern car with all this and that handles half decent? This is my point, whether its driving a later model car or an old "sturdy" car, the same damage can be done, just think. Car load of young people, alcohol involved, they feel more confident, getting egged on by their mates, no matter WHAT car they are driving, it isn't going to end well, and NOT because of the speed, but because of the skill, or lack thereof mixed with alcohol and friends. These modern cars at least have half a chance of helping survival with the safety systems they have etc.
My point is they can go 60, 100, 150 in ANY car, so banning "high powered" cars wouldn't make any difference. As I said before, these cars also have the right components to handle these speeds, its the skill that needs attention.
Mate, you are overrating the handling ability of modern high performance cars. If anything, the modern cars are a lot smoother to drive, you appear to be going slower than you actually are, BUT you come unstuck a lot quicker with less warning.
No car was designed to drive at 160km/h through suburban streets.
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No car was designed to drive at 160km/h through suburban streets.
I agree. These kids made a decision to do what they did. It all went wrong and they're dead. But at least they didn't charge straight into some innocent driver and kill or maim them as well.I have a very harsh view towards these type of deaths.
They were breaking the law, drinking and speeding and apparently too many people in the car too. The driver should be up for a darwin award.
If a man goes and robs a store and accidently shoots himself and dies, why is it so many think, 'the fool deserved it'. Yet when someone breaks the law and drives drunk, speeds and is generally a hoon, it's suddenly a tragic event.
Doesn't fly in my book. I'd rather they kill themselves then kill some innocent family getting rammed by this moron and killing them.
Add to that it helps to have training to handle situations when things go bad (but there is NO GUARANTEE that you will not panic in a real situation), remember you are trained at road speed not 140kph.
Dont argue about it - Speed Kills. For example, hit a pedestrian at 60km per hour or at 40kph the survival rate is increased enormously at 40kph.
Sam, what you don't get is that the impact speeds of these type of accidents are getting faster all the time.
If you think "speed" is irrelevant, you must come from a different planet than me.
You need to find out the facts mate instead of being rammed by speed kills from TV and newspapers etc.
Impact speeds are getting faster? Since when? As I said, most of these crashes are all around the same speed area.
Your not getting the point. When you are intoxicated, with a car load of mates, feeling confident as ever, speed was NOT the killer.
Speed, the way you mentioned is irrelevant yes, "If the car was doing 60km/h", that means nothing, like if I had a gun a shot someone, but if I didn't have bullets in it, they wouldn't have died. Doesn't mean anything. They were doing 140km/h, someone will again, and it will happen AGAIN. NOT because of speed but because of skill and the car, and of course intoxication.
I think we have a budding V8 supercar driver on our hands here at ASF. His name is ThingyMajiggy, look out for him at Bathurst and also your local school pedestrian crossings.
What a crock, if you were driving home with your family in the car are you saying that you would feel just as safe if a car load of drunken punks were coming towards you at 140kmh as you would be if they were doing 60 kmh.
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