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Trading the XJO with CFDs

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Hi everyone!
Just having a read of your forum and it looks like you lot are all genuinely interested in helping eachother learn and providing support for eachother - unlike some other topics on ASF ;) I myself am interested in CFD's but I haven't opened an account yet...just reading as much as I can first and getting to know tech analysis. I was tending towards IG markets because of the low min. trade size (good for starting off) and they seemed to be well priced and offer GSL. Any thoughts?

I have always tended to use the 'buy and hold' approach and fund. analysis so I'm trying to learn more about charts. I think CFDs are a good opportunity to take advantage of short-term trends and the ability to short on margin is attractive as well. Kinda (half) working on a trading plan but I think I'm going to learn as I go along anyway. Has anyone read Catherine Davey's books?? Having got one for X-mas I've had a look at her money management strategies which are pretty easy to follow and familairised myself with support/resistance/trends. Anyway, keep up the good discussion and hopefully I'll have more to contribute soon. :)

Hi brendan87

Great to see more new faces, welcome to the world of CFD trading.

I don't not have any probs with IG find them very easy to use and there advanced charts are great but more volume would be nice. but I do use Bourse data for most my decisions.

CFD's
from what I have experienced.

entry is critical and I advise not taking large trades no matter how much cash you have avalible. First thing to get your head around is leverage and how it works for and against you. Remember what ever you stand to gain you stand to lose. Stops are a must and with CFD indexes stops are used as a strategy not just to set and forget i move mine a lot but the Aussie200 has long tails so you must beware of that or you will always get stopped out and still see the price move in your preconceived direction. It is a art in it's own.

But I can't stress enough that you must start with small positions when you first trade.

I had so many disasters with the Aussie200 and Gold and Oil due to I was putting to much on the line.

Now buying and holding on CFD's is posible in my opinion as long as the market is right. for example if you bought anything at the end of the correction last year and sold few weeks ago or not that would have worked fine.

But remember you are paying interest on long positions but it is not that much.

I myself trade on a weekly and daily time frame. but what time frame you use only you can decide.

From what I have seen intra day is very quick and you need a sharp eye.

Uncle Festivus
Trades on a Intra day level and would know a lot more information about it then I do.

Good trading and feel free to ask or point out anything you see of feel about the Aussie200 or other CFD's. I am happy to help if I can.

Yes I agree with you other topics in ASF have really turned to running arguments which don't do much for anyone. I am talking about one section in particular.
 
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I've found that intraday trading is extremely difficult on the ASX200 generally, the only time I trade it is when the longer (daily) chart shows good trending action, if it is then I time my entry on the intraday timeframe. At the moment on the daily I have it just short of C=A and C=1.618*B. If she shows strong indications of breaking down into a larger corrective Wave C from here I will be looking to hop on, if not, I'll be waiting to see what develops and if it is tradable....
 

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Kauri, I may be jumping the gun a bit but the market looks to be setting up for a 'compound' correction, where each day's weakness is further added to by the US market weakness. The XJO tried hard this morning but is getting hammered in the afternoon session, so if the US is down again overnight then watch out for tomorrow and especially Friday (Friday is 'out' day?) I think for resumption of correction. 1.618 fib level is ominous, as is failing to make the previous high 6050. Still holding my short 200 mini:)
 
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Kauri, I may be jumping the gun a bit but the market looks to be setting up for a 'compound' correction, where each day's weakness is further added to by the US market weakness. The XJO tried hard this morning but is getting hammered in the afternoon session, so if the US is down again overnight then watch out for tomorrow and especially Friday (Friday is 'out' day?) I think for resumption of correction. 1.618 fib level is ominous, as is failing to make the previous high 6050. Still holding my short 200 mini:)

Hi UF,
I've taken a short today anticipating the start of the Wave C corrective, (BIG computer problems at present so missed the first hour of the market :banghead: ). Have also brought the stop up on my 2 existing long DMA shares. Time will tell.... :)
Cheers
Kauri
 

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Well you would have done well on that move down....that was quick. I was thinking there had to be some news or something to drive it lower that fast.

Thats got to be a bearish signal.

Cheers,
 
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Is that a mini 200 short Kauri? Looks like a 1 o'clock fund dump. The danger is that they may be setting a bear trap for tomorrow. The hardest decision - when to close a profitable position or hold overnight for possible more bad economic news? A bird in the hand......
 
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Is that a mini 200 short Kauri? Looks like a 1 o'clock fund dump. The danger is that they may be setting a bear trap for tomorrow. The hardest decision - when to close a profitable position or hold overnight for possible more bad economic news? A bird in the hand......

Fund dump....does include the Hang Seng, the Nikkei, and Shanghai? They're all plummeting.
 
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Is that a mini 200 short Kauri? Looks like a 1 o'clock fund dump. The danger is that they may be setting a bear trap for tomorrow. The hardest decision - when to close a profitable position or hold overnight for possible more bad economic news? A bird in the hand......

UF,
Short is on the IG ASX200, chart is actually the XJO chart, am having all sorts of computer troubles and that chart is easier to see currently. Wall St and Japan both dipping strongly on IG, tied in with the low vol XJO hi on Mon, the increasing vol close on lows Tues, and todays action looks ominous... for now anyway.. also at typical area for completion of Wave B of current correction..
Kauri
 
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I see now. Kauri, is it hardware problems or software as I have trouble with java apps (IG platform) crashing sometimes too.

I'm at work :eek: without access to java apps so flying blind today. Doesn't sound good at all, a general syncronised pullback today. Is it Shanghai leading again? Might hang on to the short afterall.
 
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failed badley at 6000

Now next big question is to short it over night.

UF you sound like you had some fun today. good it fell quick I saw the 2 min chart I also pulled out 50$ drinking money as well!

I am thinking of going short as things look ominous over DOW as well as XJO but a tight stop is in order I think.

CanOz
Do you want to become our China Information corespondent during the day, i hope its a yes!

Kauri,

Great chart you posted, your using wave? also is it hand drawn on the comp?


Guys I will tone down my outlook posts because I switch very quickly and I don't want to seem to directed in either way or influence any body, I can go from bearish to bullish in a period and vice versa, if what i see tells me too.

dropped all my Share CFD's RIO WPL CSL wishing i did not drop ASX now it bucked the sell off!

Good trading guys
 

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Well i'm long on Crude, short on WBC and the XJO at the moment.

Not too sure what caused the sell off in Asian markets, some news is reporting that its due to a poor consumer confid. report from the US. Goodness knows what caused the Shanghai sell off:confused: . I doubt it was a reaction to international economic data, they seem to react more to domestic concerns and rarely flinch on US data, insular bunch.

Cheers,
 
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CanOz, I'm not on oil but got the other 2 :D
Oil is the story at the moment, up to $65. If theres one thing to trash a bull market it's the threat of high oil prices! Gold next?
 
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CanOz, I'm not on oil but got the other 2 :D
Oil is the story at the moment, up to $65. If theres one thing to trash a bull market it's the threat of high oil prices! Gold next?

I'm a bit concerned about gold, the yen's on the move again.

Crude is very volitile at the moment, nervous lot they are.

Cheers,
 
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CanOz

Very well done!

OIL up and aussie200 down you must have had another good night!:xyxthumbs

I could not find enough to merit a short trade so I stayed on the side lines.

Looks like the rebound has hit the skids.

I am most likely back to waiting for another rebound 6000 is a very strong resistance point.

My last trade on oil was at 54 then it went straight to 60+ then fell back to 57 and I bailed, I have noticed that oil is very volatile while it moves on its main trend as like most commodity futures.

Have attached Daily crude chart to show you what I mean, so many great pyramiding points. But that is still far far away for me.
 

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CanOz

Are you still holding your short?

I went long over the aussie200 with my support/stop at 5899

Trend still intact with a new support point.

See chart and I encourage all your for or against points.
 

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Interesting chart situation to look at there is a bullish channel for sure right now on the Aussie200

I went long yesterday morning and took profits at 4:20ish :banghead:

But i can see more entry's as long as it holds in this channel.

The support line is a Gann Angle, as you can see there is harmony between price and time.

Some possible directions that could occur.

*Also Dow broke 12500 and closed above it, so that is a great victory as well*
 

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Hi TI,
Mmmmm, gone short today, got to 6090 on IG, couldn't resist :D

Hey How are you UF

Great move I looked at the 5min Chart and that was a class move it dropped real fast.

I am out of the market for now waiting for next entry of support.

You could make some good plays on that time frame working between the channel lines.(as long as they stick)

I am out of the intraday stuff now just trading the Daily and 4hour charts. Due to a few ass kickings and work requirments! (mostly due to the first reason!)

Did you catch that support break on Monday? Jeez it dropped fast!
 
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What a morning went long twice and 2 great stops! Lucky they were tight or I would have undone heaps of good work from this & last week!

Jeez I was bluffed this morning! :banghead:

UF u pull any shorts?
 
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