wayneL
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You're not buying goodwill, you are buying something you can get for free... worse still, a crutch. You are relying on the ability of someone completely outside your control.The costs associated with TI are expensive,but so are the costs of being inolved in any business thats your own.Having been in business for the last 7 years,i can tell you that the costs of being with TI arent that much,if what they claim to offer is legit.For example if you wanted to buy an existing business,for every $1000 profit per week you need to spend approx $100,000 on goodwill.Now if the claims by TI are legit you should be able to make $1000 a week with an investemt of about $20,000,and the attraction is that it is possible to make much more than that with little additional investment
well supposedly you're buying an education.And basically i think for a complete novice to be successful without access to a live trading room and watching the so called pro's do their thing would be very hard,thats just my opinion being a novice.Now apart from the 7 grand and a few other bits and pieces,aren't the other costs assocciated just the cost of doing business,ie charts,brokerage,platforms etc?
Iam not trying to defend TI,iam not even a member,iam just trying to work out if an investment of my time and money will be worth the risk,ie are the chances of me making money realistic.
Also has anyone investigated the live trade room offered by puretick?They charge US299 a month for access and no joining fee?
At 7k a pop, do you think the TI mob even need to trade? Nope. The money is in selling the system.
This is what makes me sceptical. They talk about there system being 70% correct and making 50% on invested money per day or whatever ....etc.
If you do the maths you would be a raving idiot to sell it for anything.
take that system to the ES with 500 contract position.(plenty of volume to swing such size)
500 ES X 10 points per day(500*$50*10points) is $250,000
That's 5 million per month. you need 700 new customer per month to take that not including all the expensive marketing dept & sales & accounting you would need probably double.
It simply doesn't make sense. Stick a couple of traders in a room and make a couple of hundred mil a year
Fair enough. But is the price for the education fair? That's my question.
50% return on investment does sound like bull*hit,I thought they claimed a 71/2-10% return on investment,which is all I am hoping for.If I can consistently get a 71/2% return on my investment a day I would be very happy and more than willing to spend 7 odd grand to achieve this.
Its just dumb to even quote a return. I have never seen anyone but newbies and liars talk like that. Experienced futures traders simply don't talk in return on margin.
LOLWayne,
In my opinion it is. The $7k buys you lifetime membership. That also buys you access to new indicators that someone else has developed and gone through the rigourous process of backtesting and live testing to ensure they work. That saves novice traders time and knowledge that most novices don't have. TI will be releasing a new indicator next week for their trading room and backtesting as well as live testing has shown that it has a success rate of 85%.
Of course you will now jump in and find some other reason to critise them however quite happly steer novice traders to systems that you acknowledge is BS. I find that most perplexing.
Trembling Hand - In relation to the percentage of successful trades. I am at over 70% and I ONLY trade the TI methodology.
Trembling Hand - In relation to the percentage of successful trades. I am at over 70% and I ONLY trade the TI methodology.
LOL, have finally started reading The New Market Wizards the very next line I read after my last post is from William Eckhardt,
the desire to maximize the number of winning trades(or minimize the number of losing trades) works against the trader. The success rate of trades is the least important performance statistic and may even be inversely related to performance.
But boy does it help flog systems.
supposedly showing 85% success rate
Incredibly.how easy is it to lose 7k trading derivatives ?
Incredibly.
Check out high probability trader's blog.
P.S. I'd love to see the results when everyone begins trying to enter on the same point and moving the market...
Wayne,
In my opinion it is. The $7k buys you lifetime membership. That also buys you access to new indicators that someone else has developed and gone through the rigourous process of backtesting and live testing to ensure they work. That saves novice traders time and knowledge that most novices don't have. TI will be releasing a new indicator next week for their trading room and backtesting as well as live testing has shown that it has a success rate of 85%.
Of course you will now jump in and find some other reason to critise them however quite happly steer novice traders to systems that you acknowledge is BS. I find that most perplexing.
Trembling Hand - In relation to the percentage of successful trades. I am at over 70% and I ONLY trade the TI methodology.
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