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Ralph Nelson Elliott
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I think few will confuse tenacity and purpose with arrogance. Of course, the arrogant will always add arrogance to the mix.
Perhaps arrogance is often mistaken for passion... dunno.
I first started in the markets in 1997 with 15K and turned into 400K by April 2000. Six months later I was lucky to pull half that out of the market and thankfully used the cash to renovate my house before getting married.
I could not really call myself a trader at that time as I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, throwing as much as I could into the market and was trading mainly off tips and rumours. No game plan, no strategy, and no money management. It was the worst possible start to trading one could imagine because I thougth I could do no wrong. The next 3 years were roller coasters, profitable one year and blowing accounts the next, but that is when I would say I gave more thought to my trading. In total blew up 4 accounts, starting from scratch again each time until it got pounded into my head what I needed to.
One day it finally dawned to me what I needed to do. SURVIVE.
If I could survive and make it my number one priority, the profits would slowly come by themselves. So ones first priority is not to get rich, but survive, because most do not survive past the first year.
In fact this turned out to be the case, from 2003 onward I have been consistantly profitable, initially not great returns, but gradually improving every year until now whereby on I would return the average wage which I am happy with as a part time trader.
Aside form the need to survive, I would say having the discipline and patience to wait for the right trades to come along are the most important traits to attain in this business. Trade the 80/20 setups and rety to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible and stuff eveything else. Also perseverence, and tough mindness are a must in my opinion.
I think TH is right with what he says. I would say for most that persevere it would take anything between 4-10 years of experience before they became CONSISTANTLY profitable.
Just my thoughts
Having said all that some of the top achievers appear arrogant, and maybe choose to be that way because it helps them stay on top.Tiger Woods comes to mind.
Mmmmmm, yes.Arrogance to me is talking yourself up all the time and being condescending to others.
TW doesn't seem arrogant to me... focussed, confident, knows his ability, dour maybe, but not arrogant. You won't hear him bleating the "you're all muppets, lucky to to be basking in my greatness" garbage we are often subjected to elsewhere (as far as I know anyway).Having said all that some of the top achievers appear arrogant, and maybe choose to be that way because it helps them stay on top.Tiger Woods comes to mind.
TW doesn't seem arrogant to me... focussed, confident, knows his ability, dour maybe, but not arrogant. You won't hear him bleating the "you're all muppets, luck to to be basking in my greatness" garbage we are often subjected to elsewhere (as far as I know anyway).
Fortunately, I have so far been spared from the experience, but I know what you mean. Don't forget I've been around equestrian and racing my whole life... just like footballers. Different clothes, bling, cars etc; but same dealYes, maybe he was a bad example.He doesn't have much positive to say about his fellow competitors though.Psychological games no doubt.
Now you live in England Wayne (my old home), you will have no doubt met or seen some of the football players over there.If you want a definition of arrogance, look no further than some of them.
Passion is often mistaken for arrogance.
I agree with TH.
If your not outside your comfort zone your not really pushing your boundaries.
If you dont push your boundaries then you wont grow.
Unbridled enthusiasm must be encouraged.
You'll learn more from failure whilst pushing your boundaries than from success.
If your doing what you want to do everyday you'll not be poor!
And the Australian cricket team. :topic
Disclaimer: South African cricket fan
TH, thank you for expanding and clarifying what I said with my now much criticised "hot shots" post.I'm with you. I would still like to see how someone could live off trading after such a small period of time (less than 2 years)And how they did it. Especially since most traders start with a small capital base. Just the break even point after tax, expenses and living cost is way high.
Ah, the wisdom of grandmothers.young hotshots!!
you sound like my nanna
:couch :hide:
However, I don't think too many people would regard $12,000 p.a. as a reasonable living.
How do you know your banks will recover more than inflationary pressures over the next 10-20 years?
I would certainly rather be learning what I am now (it has been WELL worth the time off), than be 50+ and so scared to take a chance so just dump my money in blue chips and "hope" they continue to move up
Who knows in a couple of years he could eb pulling $100,000+
Yes, of course. The only valid comparison would be probably over a period of about ten years.
I'm just a little surprised about the results of the poll. Should be a good warning to all those young hotshots who are going to live off their trading with a start-up capital of $40,000 or so!
I intend to utilise Radge
in a can
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