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Tony Abbott for PM

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drsmith said:
Fair enough on the policicy details themselves, but he was evasive about their own validation process of costings. He just should have said Labors parliamentary budget office and left it at that.
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We know why. Their last elections costings were an absolute joke.
Hopefully they will do better this time.
 
Knobby22 said:
We know why. Their last elections costings were an absolute joke.
Hopefully they will do better this time.
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Knobby - if you call the coalition's costings a joke, what do you call this massive debt and waste of labor's?

Even IF the coalition's costings were ACTUALLY as wrong as labor/treasury made out, at least we would only by $10 billion down the gurgler.

It will remain to be seen how close treasury modelling has come on carbon tax. My guess is it will be way out and much more costly than anticipated. If so, how can we be sure that treasury got the coalition's costings correct?

And what about NBN costings? I don't think they have ever even beenproperly released. You guys would hang and quarter the coalition if they dared to build something so costly and yet hide the costings.
 
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pointing to other costings doesn't stop that costing I mentioned not being a joke.
Do you remember they said a major accountant did it but then that accountant said they passed it onto a minor firm? Do you remember how ridicolous they were? One of the reasons so many people voted independant last election was that they couldn't bring themselves to vote the major parties.

I think the Coalition would have learnt from that in the last election plus they know they are going to get in say they won't be too ridicolous in their costings. They know they can always find black holes when they get in so can be a little generous and then say with shock that we are in bigger debt than they thought and have to cut the promises. I'm getting cynical.
 
Knobby, any mistakes or misjudgements made by the coalition pale into extreme insignificance when compared to the massive debacles and stuff-ups by this current minority government who clearly refuse to listen to the majority of the people.
 
sails said:
Knobby, any mistakes or misjudgements made by the coalition pale into extreme insignificance when compared to the massive debacles and stuff-ups by this current minority government who clearly refuse to listen to the majority of the people.
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NO!!
No political party gets off scott free. It's not a football team.
I want the Libs to earn my vote, that means acting properly. They would have under Howard, they probably will now. But they aren't getting it carte blanche.
 
Anyone can only vote for what they regard as the best alternative at the time.
 
Knobby22 said:
NO!!
No political party gets off scott free. It's not a football team.
I want the Libs to earn my vote, that means acting properly. They would have under Howard, they probably will now. But they aren't getting it carte blanche.
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+1. So far there's no sign of the Libs taking their ascension to government so for granted that they'll be as careless as they were last time over the budget costings.
The present shadow front bench needs to demonstrate competence, not ride on the coat tails of the Howard line up, much of the talent of which has gone.
 
Lately I have been thinking about how PM Abbott would conduct himself on the world stage. I worry that an off-the-cuff remark could potentially trigger an international incident. Would it be better if he just didn't give unscripted answers or impromtu interviews once in power?
 

I thought Auatralia would be finished if Bob Hawke ever got in but he sobered up long enough to dump his loyal wife and make friends with the Packers and Sir Peter Ables who made him very wealthy for knifing the pilots in the back for him....nice bloke Mr Hawke.
 
MrBurns said:
It's ok to be multicultural but we must be careful about who can participate, thats the hard part.
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I don't think multiculturalism works. There's nothing wrong with people bringing their culture to Australia and celebrating their ancestry but, IMO, that needs to be done within the overarching "culture" of Australia. I think the US and Australia have done a far better job at this than Europe. The problem with multiculturalism is that it often ends up creating segregated societies, which isn't good for anyone.
 

Yes very hard to do it properly and when you cant even put pink batts in a roof with a stuff up multiculturallisn is a bit beyond them.

I think Asians have fitted in quite well but I was shocked to see the city of Melbourne dominated by them.
 
MrBurns said:
Yes very hard to do it properly and when you cant even put pink batts in a roof with a stuff up multiculturallisn is a bit beyond them.

I think Asians have fitted in quite well but I was shocked to see the city of Melbourne dominated by them.
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We are getting another million citizens for Melbourne over the next 12 years.
It is both Libereal and Labor policy to keep immigration high to keep growth happening.
I think we will suffer as a result due to infrastructure not keeping up. Immigration should be slowed down imo.
 
MrBurns said:
I think Asians have fitted in quite well but I was shocked to see the city of Melbourne dominated by them.
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Same in Sydney. Although, the CBD of Sydney was pretty much dead 10-15 years ago, they have really made it feel alive.
 
It is true though that some cultures just dont fit in, that's what France and Britain are experiencing right now.
 
MrBurns said:
It is true though that some cultures just dont fit in, that's what France and Britain are experiencing right now.
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I agree with that... rather, an unwillingness to moderate their own culture to mesh in with the dominant culture. I think we all probably know people of different cultures and most of us probably have friends from these cultures... if they moderate.

But those who fail to so (eg calls for Sharia law etc) will not fit in. How you filter those folks out I don't know, but it should be attempted in the interests of social harmony IMO.

Some will try to portray that as racism, but its nothing to do with racism at all.
 

I agree (my bolding). I don't see any barriers to immigration from any country or any culture as long as they are prepared to fit in with the exisiting Australian culture. The difference now is that some people come here with no real intention to fit in and with, as far as I can see, an actual intention to change Australian culture to their culture. I do wonder how they actually get through the immigration process (of course they may simply lie).
 
wayneL said:
Some will try to portray that as racism, but its nothing to do with racism at all.
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Some will always hide behind the racist srgument bit it's go nothing to do with that, call it "cultirist" if you must but I do not agree with cultures that discriminate against women, have religious laws that are completely overbearing and threaten lives, there is no place for that here.

With Asians and Miss Hale's comments I can actually see how Asian immigration could change our culture simply because they will be in the majority.

Way off topic time to change back.
 

And let's face it, we all know who they are. You don't see Vietnemese or Chinese immigrants calling for Chinese or Vietnemese law to become the law of Australia.

Most Muslims who move to Australia want the same thing that everyone else who moves to Australia wants. Unfortunately, a few idiots have come to represent the entire group.
 
MrBurns said:
With Asians and Miss Hale's comments I can actually see how Asian immigration could change our culture simply because they will be in the majority.
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I wonder if this has to do with the volume of actual immigrants over a certain time frame. In the past maybe the volumes were lower and perhaps there was more diversity?

MrBurns said:
Way off topic time to change back.
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OK, Tony abbot for PM
 
McLovin said:
Most Muslims who move to Australia want the same thing that everyone else who moves to Australia wants. Unfortunately, a few idiots have come to represent the entire group.
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This is no doubt true, McLovin. Perception may well play an unhelpful part in all of this.

But as I asked AbrasiveCamel to do in another post ("Extremism") to disown and condemn all forms of terrorism irrespective of who the perpetrator is (and their religion/race).

I haven't yet heard a response, but eagerly await one.
 
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