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MrBurns said:
Dont know how old you guys are but they said the same about Greeks and Italians, now we love our dago mates. Asians were looked at the same but now they're ok too, Arabs and Muslims are the new challenge, watch this space.
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+1.

Remember the joke, with Greeks playing soccer? "Don't give him a corner, he'll put a fish and chip shop on it!" :D

Point is, there is nothing to fear about our latest arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq or Sudan. It will be the same next generation with Cameroons or Liberians or Hondurans or Bulgarians! And that is all I was trying to say - certain sections of the population will always live in fear of the latest arrivals and react savagely to any notion of actually welcoming them into our communities. And, it seems that some of those people react that way simply because it fits with their political leanings. :rolleyes:
 
Eager said:
+1.

Remember the joke, with Greeks playing soccer? "Don't give him a corner, he'll put a fish and chip shop on it!" :D

Point is, there is nothing to fear about our latest arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq or Sudan. It will be the same next generation with Cameroons or Liberians or Hondurans or Bulgarians! And that is all I was trying to say - certain sections of the population will always live in fear of the latest arrivals and react savagely to any notion of actually welcoming them into our communities. And, it seems that some of those people react that way simply because it fits with their political leanings. :rolleyes:
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I'd like to agree with you but I suspect in the case of Muslims we need to watch out, France has declared multiculturaism doesnt work and it's not because of Italians and Asians.
Britain is in trouble as well, if there are any terrorist attacks here i think the Aussie culture will hit back and it wont be nice.

Mind you I'm only talking about the extremist Muslims but problem is we cant tell the difference between the good and the bad.
 
Eager said:
+1.

Remember the joke, with Greeks playing soccer? "Don't give him a corner, he'll put a fish and chip shop on it!" :D

Point is, there is nothing to fear about our latest arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq or Sudan. It will be the same next generation with Cameroons or Liberians or Hondurans or Bulgarians!
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Eager,
travel to Europe and visit France or UK (not the eiffel tower, but the real towns and suburbs; then try to write the above again;
in France (born there and lived there till move to australia), problems are happening with generation 3 at least of the initial Muslim migrants (and by the way, legal migrant at the time) the grandsons of the initial Algerian or African migrants;
Last two generation French by birth and educated within a much more integrating system than Australia..yet
Australia will sadly pay dearly its naivety....Just wish you were right and I could be wrong on that one...
 
qldfrog said:
Eager,
travel to Europe and visit France or UK (not the eiffel tower, but the real towns and suburbs; then try to write the above again;
in France (born there and lived there till move to australia), problems are happening with generation 3 at least of the initial Muslim migrants (and by the way, legal migrant at the time) the grandsons of the initial Algerian or African migrants;
Last two generation French by birth and educated within a much more integrating system than Australia..yet
Australia will sadly pay dearly its naivety....Just wish you were right and I could be wrong on that one...
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And yet people like Eager call others a derogatory "redneck" for being realistic.

Eager seems eager to flame and irritate with his posts. I am glad I now have him on ignore. Keeps the blood pressure down...:rolleyes:
 
qldfrog said:
Eager,
travel to Europe and visit France or UK (not the eiffel tower, but the real towns and suburbs; then try to write the above again;
in France (born there and lived there till move to australia), problems are happening with generation 3 at least of the initial Muslim migrants (and by the way, legal migrant at the time) the grandsons of the initial Algerian or African migrants;
Last two generation French by birth and educated within a much more integrating system than Australia..yet
Australia will sadly pay dearly its naivety....Just wish you were right and I could be wrong on that one...
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I'll be short with this observation from my experience in this industry. I'm from migrant stock of one of the previous groups described by Sails so have been on the sausage factory conveyor belt.

The 'assimilation' test is simple. It's not whether you're 3rd, 4th or 5th generation Aussie (since when your forbears first came out). Just listen to the accent.

There are certain groups which have an almost mandatory practice of finding your spouse from the 'old country', and propagate that by sending the youth in their formative years back for a few years 'real education'. Listen to the accent - if you were born and bred here, it wouldn't be as thick as that.

So the first generation migrant experience never leaves some groups, it literally propagates! No guessing why it was necessary for Roxon to introduce laws criminalising forced marriage of young females. It's happening under the guise of allowing custom/tradition to "arrange" a marriage, and the immigration laws which only require the couple to have met physically (and not on the internet) is a pretty low bar.

As I say, I'm a beneficiary of Australia's migration policy. But the social engineering is happening right under our noses, from the ground up.
 
Stumpy, just to clarify, I actually have no issue with migrants who want to come to this country provided they are willing to work and contribute - and preferably assimilate.

My parents migrated here from England, however, there were no handouts. My father was a doctor, worked to support his family and pay his taxes. There are many who have come and done it tough in this country but it is their hard work and dedication that has largely made this country.

However, to allow streams of people to come here with no ID and expect working Aussies to support them for years on end, pay for them to keep reproducing and keep paying for their children doesn't seem right or fair. And they have been known to use our free legal system to sue us...:eek:

All this while many of our own homeless continue on in their misery. I don't care what colour or race come here, but they shouldn't be living off the backs of working Aussies for so many years.

Let's hope Abbott can bring security back to our borders, help the genuine refugees and only bring in migrants who want to come here to work.

FOUR out of five refugee households are relying on welfare.

And more than 60 per cent of refugees have failed to get a job after five years, according to a damning Federal Government report into the humanitarian settlement program.

A total of 83 per cent of refugee households now rely on welfare payments for income.

The greatest unemployment rate was recorded among new arrivals from Iraq and Afghanistan, with less than one in 10 able to find full time work and 93.7 of households receiving Centrelink payments.
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Most refugee households rely on welfare
 
sails said:
However, to allow streams of people to come here with no ID and expect working Aussies to support them for years on end, pay for them to keep reproducing and keep paying for their children doesn't seem right or fair. And they have been known to use our free legal system to sue us...:eek:

All this while many of our own homeless continue on in their misery. I don't care what colour or race come here, but they shouldn't be living off the backs of working Aussies for so many years.

Let's hope Abbott can bring security back to our borders, help the genuine refugees and only bring in migrants who want to come here to work.
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WTF?

Support them for years on end? what because there in detention centres?

You actually think that these people are not coming here to work? not spending thousands of dollars (usually borrowed) because they want to live on govt hand outs? :confused:

sails 1 more crazy post like that and its the ignore list for you.

The report presents a mixed picture. Refugees are more dependent on Centrelink payments - not just unemployment, but childcare payments and student assistance.
They are more likely to be jobless than skilled migrants. If they are employed, they work shorter hours for less money, and have comparatively low levels of job satisfaction.
But the outlook improves over time. Over a five-year period refugees reduce their dependence on benefits and find jobs, particularly after two years of settlement.
Refugees also participate strongly in further education after their arrival in Australia. ''Most humanitarian entrants are strongly focused on creating a new life and studying for a qualification in Australia is an important step in this journey,'' the report concludes.
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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/a...o-gain-work-20110428-1dz2l.html#ixzz1u0uAzKDG
 
Im in Melbourne, went to the city on Thursday to meet some clients, I hardly ever get ot the city even though I'm quite close.

I was stunned that almost everyone in the Melbourne CBD was Asian and I was told by my clients that Sydney is the same or more so.

I think we better just forget the idea that Australia is meant for white Anglo Saxons.

We are in the age of multiculturalism and that's the end of Australia as we knew it.

It's ok to be multicultural but we must be careful about who can participate, thats the hard part.
 
So_Cynical said:
...sails 1 more crazy post like that and its the ignore list for you.
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SC - is that a threat...:D:D:D

Feel free to stick your head in the sand with your 27% - that's fine with me. However, I think you will find there are many other Aussies who agree with my concerns.

And I am just as entitled to express my opinions as you are - no need to be rude about it. Just put me on ignore. Your threat does not intimidate me in the slightest...:D

Oh, and you did not address the issue of our own homeless. I don't think there was anything silly about any of my post.
 
sails said:
Oh, and you did not address the issue of our own homeless. I don't think there was anything silly about any of my post.
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Yes, SC, this is what Sails said on the above:
All this while many of our own homeless continue on in their misery. I don't care what colour or race come here, but they shouldn't be living off the backs of working Aussies for so many years.
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What about this comment do you disagree with?
 
MrBurns said:
Im in Melbourne, went to the city on Thursday to meet some clients, I hardly ever get ot the city even though I'm quite close.

I was stunned that almost everyone in the Melbourne CBD was Asian and I was told by my clients that Sydney is the same or more so.
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You mustn't have ventured into the CBD for at least 20 years...
MrBurns said:
I think we better just forget the idea that Australia is meant for white Anglo Saxons.
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Who said Australia was meant to be JUST FOR WHITE ANGLO SAXONS? What a terrible, terrible statement you made. In a more public place, such a statement could land you in very hot water indeed.
MrBurns said:
We are in the age of multiculturalism and that's the end of Australia as we knew it.
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Ok, 'bye.
MrBurns said:
It's ok to be multicultural but we must be careful about who can participate, thats the hard part.
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As long as the participants are white Anglo Saxons, right? :rolleyes:
 
Eager said:
You mustn't have ventured into the CBD for at least 20 years...
Who said Australia was meant to be JUST FOR WHITE ANGLO SAXONS? What a terrible, terrible statement you made. In a more public place, such a statement could land you in very hot water indeed.
Ok, 'bye.
As long as the participants are white Anglo Saxons, right? :rolleyes:
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Eager do you deliberately go out of your way to pick fault with what people say or are you just a bit slow ?

Non of my comments were the least bit offensive or out of place, but you on the other hand :rolleyes:
 
MrBurns said:
Eager do you deliberately go out of your way to pick fault with what people say or are you just a bit slow ?

Non of my comments were the least bit offensive or out of place, but you on the other hand :rolleyes:
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You need help.
 
MrBurns said:
Eager do you deliberately go out of your way to pick fault with what people say or are you just a bit slow ?

Non of my comments were the least bit offensive or out of place, but you on the other hand :rolleyes:
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Yep - he throws the taunts and then when he gets a firm response back, he squeals...lol.
 
drsmith said:
Joe Hockey's evasiveness on questions of economic substance really is a worry.
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I've just watched the interview and actually thought he was better than in the past.
Isn't it reasonable for him to not disclose Coalition decisions at this early stage?
 
Julia said:
I've just watched the interview and actually thought he was better than in the past.
Isn't it reasonable for him to not disclose Coalition decisions at this early stage?
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Fair enough on the policicy details themselves, but he was evasive about their own validation process of costings. He just should have said Labors parliamentary budget office and left it at that.
 
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