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Tony Abbott for PM

Joining the right party would be a start.

How can we tell which is the right party?

Hindsight would suggest that is precarious at best. Is it perhaps like trend following, Abbott seems to have some volume but the trend is a bit doubtfull and of course the Nielson poll, the widest margin, is usually a bit biased to the right too. Mid term divergences of 10% or more are very common, Howard was gone several times but came back.

And, what qualifies one to make such a determination?

Perhaps it is genetic and of Irish, English or Aboriginal assent, or do we need to get the tape measure around skulls like the good old days.

In common with Tony, we were both alter boys and used to speak in Latin and understood not one word of it. So if the country is to be in hands such as ours then od help us. Can we split that ?
 
How can we tell which is the right party?

I don't know. But I believe we can tell the wrong party... that would be one whose policies are at odds with one's own politics. Ergo, the Liberal party is the wrong one for Malcolm.
 
Hi Julia, what is your take of the term "political intelligence" ?
Being savvy about what to say and when, having an understanding of the ramifications and repercussions within the electorate and amongst your own party of every small comment.
Further, when given the chance at leadership, what was absolutely not politically intelligent was ignoring the consensus of your party and striking out alone to make a deal with the government about an ETS, thus for ever earning you the disapprobation of your colleagues.
If Mr Turnbull thinks he will be forgiven for this, it's simply a further testament to his political stupidity.


Joining the right party would be a start.
Quite so, but Mr Turnbull can't quite come at being in the 'workers' party' blueblood that he is, despite Labor being his natural fit in many ways.
Re his climate philosophy, as I think has already been pointed out, he should be supporting the Greens, but realises the possibility of PM 's position will never be his via that avenue.
It's all about Malcolm, nothing to do what's best for either any party or for Australia.

Following is email I have sent to him this evening:



Totally agree. Mr Turnbull's ego is so large I doubt he has remotely considered that he could be pushed out. This is what Tony Abbott should be doing.


Poor Rudd.

He thought he was the best at this too
Yes, one has to imagine what Mr Rudd must be thinking now as the government is in way more disarray than it was when he was tossed out.
Ms Gillard would be gone tomorrow if such a move did not make them a complete laughing stock.
 
Abbott is handling the Turnbull issue very well. Now back to the main game, getting rid of labor
 
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Quite so, but Mr Turnbull can't quite come at being in the 'workers' party' blueblood that he is, despite Labor being his natural fit in many ways.
Hi Julia,

Why do you call Turnbull "blueblood", and why do you regard Labor as being his natural fit in many ways? I understood that his childhood was neither easy nor wealthy and that his background wasn't aristocratic, not even Bunyip aristocratic - what else does blueblood mean? I also understood (though I can't find a reference now) that he considered joining the ALP at one time, but obviously he didn't actually do so. I'm not arguing the point, I'm just curious about exactly what you mean.

FWIW, I agree with you about Turnbull's lack of political nous. I think it comes from consistently underestimating the capacity of people, individuals and groups, to wilfully ignore facts and twist ideas that they perceive to be against their interests or ideologies. He always tries to change everyone's mind about too many things at once; it often worked in the courtroom, but in the political arena people resent it, or get confused, or pick up the tabloid version and think (rightly) that it doesn't make sense. The Republic referendum was the paradigm case - Howard might have broken the heart of the nation, as Turnbull said, but Turnbull himself handed Howard the weapon.

Fascinating character and always worth listening to. But probably not PM material.

Ghoti
 

I think you have it right on the button, the general public want it kept simple and fairly sensible so they can keep up. This is the undoing of a lot of politicians and the list is going to grow quickly.
 
I think you have it right on the button, the general public want it kept simple and fairly sensible so they can keep up. This is the undoing of a lot of politicians and the list is going to grow quickly.


More than three words and they are confused apparently but then that's all some politicians like Abbott actually understand .
 
More than three words and they are confused apparently but then that's all some politicians like Abbott actually understand .

It seems that is all some in the electorate can understand so perhaps Abbott deliberately keeps it simple.

What's worse is hearing labor supporters keep harping on about having Turnbull back as Coalition leader when the polls clearly show that it is labor supporters who want a soft opposition leader who will not oppose their schemes.

Turnbull is clearly labor's choice for Coalition leader. I just wish labor would look after their own leadership debacles and get that sorted out instead - surely that would be a good place to start, wouldn't it?
 

Yes sails, I agree.

The Labor Party must suely be ready to implode. Some Ministers and a majority of back benches must be tearing their hair out not knowing what to do with Gillard and Swan.

If they change leaders now, like history shows they do when the Party becomes unpopular whether it be Federal or state, they will no doubt lose the Indies support.

IMHO there could be a change of government by Xmas.
 
And it's all Mrrrrrrabbott's fault again. Doesn't seem to get it that people don't like being deceived.

From the Australian: Gillard won't surrender on carbon tax

And it seems that even labor devotees can only take so much of their leader - from the article above:

 
I watched INSIDERS on ABC with Barrie Cassidy this morning and his theme was to do his best to tarnish Tony Abbott. How pathetic.
I guess he has been instructed to try and lift Gillard's image from where it is ATM.
Cassidy could not help himself to emphasis the Abbott/ Hockey phone call and Turnbull's statement on the Carbon Dioxide tax and Climate Change. He did all he could to make a mountain out of a mould hill.
He stated Gillard received a great lift with Conroy when pressing the button for NBN in Armidale to keep Tony Windsor happy. WOW seven connection already.They have really done well??????????????? I wonder how many this time next year.
They don't appear to be doing too well in Tassie.
 
How can we tell which is the right party?

You certainly would not have to be a 'rocket scientist' to work that one out.

But of course their are some so dumb and blind, they cannot see their nose in front of themselves.
 
Joe Hockey most likely to succeed


http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...n/comments/joe_hockey_most_likely_to_succeed/
 
Hockey, Abbott in 'brutal' slanging match


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l-slanging-match/story-fn3dxity-1226060403013
 
Abbott stands for nothing: Albanese


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-stands-for-nothing-albanese-20110522-1eykp.html#ixzz1N4v52ksv
 
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