Tony Abbott for PM

[queenslander55]

Great Choice! ...I reckon...

 

[nulla nulla]

I wonder if Pauline would direct her preferences to him?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am off to Canberra tonight in the Arnage to assist Tony.

We need good direction in this country and I for one am willing to help the only person with the balls to stop all this ETS rubbish.


Tony for PM.

gg

 

[Zird]

Good for you GG, but just how many do you reckon there are? Balls that is.

 

[Purple XS2]

As a non-coalition voter, I'd rather see Abbott as Liberal leader ahead of any other of the names that have popped up as Turnbull's alternative.

Abbott is conspicuous for his guts. Unfailingly, whenever there's mess in the Liberal's fan Abbott is the one who fronts up and tries to explain the inexplicable and defend the indefensible.

I disagree with 90% of what he says (and I probably disagree 99% with what he doesn't say) but the position he's contending for is party leader, would-be PM, not all-powerful executive President (which would be a scarier proposition).

Hockey? A lightweight; glib and hypocritical - a perfect counterfoil to Beazley, but Beazley's not here.
Andrews? What catastrophe has led this long-standing political machine to contemplate Andrews?
Robb? perhaps the safest choice, but his character is far better suited to a backstage role.

But in conclusion, to displace Turnbull is an error. And why? Because of his support for the ETS/CPRS? A scheme guaranteed to achieve nothing? Whose symbolic value is overshadowed by its probable consequence of impeding any further reforms in fossil-fuel consumption?

What astonishes me is why the global warming skeptics don't support the current legislation. It does nothing and its passage would means nothing happens for years.

As a Liberal-party disruption tactic however, it has been devastatingly successful.

Exeunt left, muttering to self .....

 

[skint]

As a non-coalition voter, I'd rather see Abbott as Liberal leader ahead of any other of the names that have popped up as Turnbull's alternative.

Abbott is conspicuous for his guts. Unfailingly, whenever there's mess in the Liberal's fan Abbott is the one who fronts up and tries to explain the inexplicable and defend the indefensible.

I disagree with 90% of what he says (and I probably disagree 99% with what he doesn't say) but the position he's contending for is party leader, would-be PM, not all-powerful executive President (which would be a scarier proposition).

Hockey? A lightweight; glib and hypocritical - a perfect counterfoil to Beazley, but Beazley's not here.
Andrews? What catastrophe has led this long-standing political machine to contemplate Andrews?
Robb? perhaps the safest choice, but his character is far better suited to a backstage role.

But in conclusion, to displace Turnbull is an error. And why? Because of his support for the ETS/CPRS? A scheme guaranteed to achieve nothing? Whose symbolic value is overshadowed by its probable consequence of impeding any further reforms in fossil-fuel consumption?

What astonishes me is why the global warming skeptics don't support the current legislation. It does nothing and its passage would means nothing happens for years.

As a Liberal-party disruption tactic however, it has been devastatingly successful.

Exeunt left, muttering to self .....

Does it really matter who leads the Lberal Party?

Centrebet: Labor - $1.16
Coalition - $4.75

The bookies never get it that far wrong on elections. Only point of interest will be who controls the senate.
Apocolyptic scenario - Senator Fielding - !!!

 

[Zird]

From the small amount that I can understand, the ETS/CPRS is extremely complicated, rewards the biggest polluters, does little to reduce carbon pollution and climate change.

It should have been a simple exponential TAX - the more you pollute or waste the more you pay. The whole thing is rotten with political jousting.

John Howard was regarded as a master of wedge politics but Kevin 007 is proving that Howard and his mates were not that smart. The ETS/CPRS has ripped the differences within the Liberal/National party into a huge gaping wound. I dont think I have seen such a split like this before. Probably have to go back the the splintering of ALP into Labour and the philistine Democratic Laboor Party. (DLP). A bit before my time.

Rome brawls while the rest of the world faces possibly its greatest challenge. I could not rationalise any reason to vote for either party.
Both work on old redundant models and the vision is blinkered by self serving allegiances.

 

[Julia]

As a non-coalition voter, I'd rather see Abbott as Liberal leader ahead of any other of the names that have popped up as Turnbull's alternative.

Abbott is conspicuous for his guts. Unfailingly, whenever there's mess in the Liberal's fan Abbott is the one who fronts up and tries to explain the inexplicable and defend the indefensible.

I disagree with 90% of what he says (and I probably disagree 99% with what he doesn't say) but the position he's contending for is party leader, would-be PM, not all-powerful executive President (which would be a scarier proposition).

He is too far to the Right, i.e. anti abortion and anti voluntary euthanasia.
The best thing about Mr Turnbull is that he wasn't religious and therefore at least was not driven by so called Christian values.

Also, Tony Abbott is simply not very articulate. When he speaks it's full of ums and ahs and he seems to have difficulty formulating what he is trying to say.
Contrast this with Mr Rudd's flow of weasel words.

Hockey? A lightweight; glib and hypocritical - a perfect counterfoil to Beazley, but Beazley's not here.

Agreed entirely. If he is nominated, that's the ultimate proof that the Liberal party is bereft of talent.
Here is The Australian's view of Mr Hockey.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...to-lead-liberals/story-e6frgczf-1225804481254

Andrews? What catastrophe has led this long-standing political machine to contemplate Andrews?

I don't think even Mr Andrews himself thought he was a genuine contender. He was simply the instrument of raising the idea of a spill , while the genuine contenders considered their positions.

Robb? perhaps the safest choice, but his character is far better suited to a backstage role.

Pity about that. You're right though. He simply doesn't have any presence or charisma. Intelligent and thoughtful, though.

But in conclusion, to displace Turnbull is an error. And why? Because of his support for the ETS/CPRS? A scheme guaranteed to achieve nothing? Whose symbolic value is overshadowed by its probable consequence of impeding any further reforms in fossil-fuel consumption?

What astonishes me is why the global warming skeptics don't support the current legislation. It does nothing and its passage would means nothing happens for years.

You are ignoring the hugely adverse effect on the economy.

As a Liberal-party disruption tactic however, it has been devastatingly successful.

Exeunt left, muttering to self .....

Much as I dislike the proposed ETS, at least in its present form, I don't really think it was put up to split the Libs. The government really wanted it passed.
Hence their original version was, they knew very well, not the final version, allowing plenty of wriggle room for Mr McFarlane to be able to say that he had brilliantly negotiated a superb compromise which both sides could live with. Absolute rubbish, of course. The government always intended to give what appeared in the amended version.

Mr McFarlane fell right into it and became hostage to Minister Wong, hard to imagine though that is. He is one member of the Libs who should be resigning. Such political naivete is breathtaking.

 

[Calliope]

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that there is no replacement for Turnbull and I think the party will reach this conclusion by next Tuesday. The choice has to be made between Turnbull + ETS and chaos. Whichever way it goes Rudd comes out the big winner.

 

[Tink]

If Turnbull gets pushed out, Joe Hockey will win

Howard is still pulling the strings in that party

 

[nulla nulla]

If Abbott gets the leadership this week, it would be only a matter of time before there is another change. At least with Turnball we would at least have a chance of a republic in my lifetime.

 

[bloomy88]

If Turnbull gets pushed out, Joe Hockey will win

Howard is still pulling the strings in that party

Yeah Hockey visited Howard at his house yesterday, definately something going on.
Turnbull is a bit of a hack though so i guess the liberals need a bit of a shake up...

 

[bloomy88]

Great Choice! ...I reckon...

Lol, well played

 

[nulla nulla]

Latest word is that Howard has annointed Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott has withdrawn.
This is probably a strategy move by howard & Abbott as it means Joe Hockey would lead the liberals to the polls if there is a double dissolution. Then if Labor wins (as per the bookmakers odds) Tony Abbot won't have the losing election tag on his resume while Joe would.

 

[bloomy88]

Latest word is that Howard has annointed Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott has withdrawn.
This is probably a strategy move by howard & Abbott as it means Joe Hockey would lead the liberals to the polls if there is a double dissolution. Then if Labor wins (as per the bookmakers odds) Tony Abbot won't have the losing election tag on his resume while Joe would.

Where abouts did you hear that from? Interesting development...

 

[Donga]

I am off to Canberra tonight in the Arnage to assist Tony.

We need good direction in this country and I for one am willing to help the only person with the balls to stop all this ETS rubbish.

Tony for PM. gg

Careful what you wish for GG. As Tony is my local member, I've met him a couple of times, and he impresses as a smart reasonable guy. Unfortunately Tony has a gene deficiency which comes to the fore every so often and as PM could be fatal for a number of industries:

o condoms
o sex industry
o medical research
o alcohol, clubs & bars

Johnny was so fortunate to stay as long as he did given 9/11 and children overboard rubbish and the last thing we need is his prodigee in power. I'm staggered Joe is gullible enough to be considering the right wing chalice and would not be surprised if this is a pivotal point in the demise of the "Liberal Party" and the eventual emergence of a real Liberal Party, with guess who as it's leader.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I arrived early this am in Canberra to some smoke free rooms.

Tony will go for it tomorrow, fortune favours the brave.

Some welcome rains on the way down through southeast qld.

Canberra is full of people from Canberra.

Hockey seems favourite at present.

Turnbull is roadkill, it has been decided.

gg

 

[moXJO]

I arrived early this am in Canberra to some smoke free rooms.

Tony will go for it tomorrow, fortune favours the brave.

Some welcome rains on the way down through southeast qld.

Canberra is full of people from Canberra.

Hockey seems favourite at present.

Turnbull is roadkill, it has been decided.

gg

Hey GG
Tell the libs to hire a decent political strategist, because they can't put a foot right atm.

 

[Solly]

I arrived early this am in Canberra to some smoke free rooms.

Tony will go for it tomorrow, fortune favours the brave.

Some welcome rains on the way down through southeast qld.

Canberra is full of people from Canberra.

Hockey seems favourite at present.

Turnbull is roadkill, it has been decided.

gg

gg, I've just checked the wires and the latest telex reveals that it appears it has all been decided.

It's a fair bet to say, welcome to the Joe & Peter Show.

 

[moXJO]

gg, I've just checked the wires and the latest telex reveals that it appears it has all been decided.

It's a fair bet to say, welcome to the Joe & Peter Show.

It's Kim Beazley's evil clone