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Calliope said:
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WAYNE Swan will today accuse Tony Abbott of fostering an Australian version of America's Tea Party movement, claiming the Coalition has imported the "very worst aggressive negativity" and economic ignorance from the extreme right of the Republican Party.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...aussie-tea-party/story-fn59niix-1226580668263
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Real pot kettle black stuff... who is really the most aggressive and negative? Does Swan ever listen to his own aggression and negativity? - it seems much worse than Abbott's...:D:D

And what about Gillard's downright disgusting, negative and aggressive misogyny speech?

Unfortunately, labor seem to take no responsibility for their own bad behaviour and try to pin it on to the coalition. That is usually the domain of sociopathic type behaviour. If the cap fits, wear it?
 
sails said:
And what amuses me is that labor supporters sometimes say that there is no difference between the two major parties, and now you are saying they are to the far right?
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I see you're still clinging to the anyone who doesn't love the Liberal party must be a Laborite meme.

Just to recap, handouts from Labor = bad. Handouts from Libs = fair.:D
 
McLovin said:
I see you're still clinging to the anyone who doesn't love the Liberal party must be a Laborite meme.

Just to recap, handouts from Labor = bad. Handouts from Libs = fair.:D
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Where did I say either of the above?

Your bias is showing, methinks...:D
 
sails said:
Where did I say either of the above?

Your bias is showing, methinks...:D
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Your views on middle class welfare and the sense of entitlement that goes with it are enlightening. It's pretty funny watching someone contort their views to fit in a box that clearly isn't made for them. Carry on.;)
 
McLovin said:
Your views on middle class welfare and the sense of entitlement that goes with it are enlightening. It's pretty funny watching someone contort their views to fit in a box that clearly isn't made for them. Carry on.;)
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If characterising other posters in your demeaning fashion gives you your kicks, then go for it. You obviously have nothing meaningful to offer.
 
Calliope said:
If characterising other posters in your demeaning fashion gives you your kicks, then go for it. You obviously have nothing meaningful to offer.
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What's demeaning about it? It's an observation based on posts sails has made regarding middle class welfare. Considering the sort of stuff you often post about others I can only assume your post is in jest.
 
albaby said:
I would'nt have the hide to tell the the electorate what to do Julia,perhaps what I am suggesting is that people start asking Abbott et al some hard questions rather than signing a blank cheque.Al
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Fair enough. I'm sure the questions will be asked in due course. Perhaps when the government has ceased hogging the media attention with its own intra-party wrangling.

sydboy007 said:
Totally agree that Rudd stuffed up the design and implementation of the first resource tax, but it was Abbott's scaremongering that pushed Labor into doing such a bad deal.
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Sydboy, you're obviously a pretty intelligent person so I'm surprised that you have succumbed to the mantra that yet again the Labor Party's stuff up is all Mr Abbott's fault. No one made Swan and Gillard do anything.
They were outclassed by the miners. Nothing to do with the Opposition.

Abbott put political opportunity before what is best for Australia. I'd have far more respect for the guy IF he had come out with a better design of a resource rent tax.
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Um, why should he be obliged to do that when he has never been in favour of such a tax in the first place and plans to repeal it?

All I'm asking for is that the same kind of criteria used to critique labor is applied to the LNP.
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Could I respectfully ask you to stop calling the Coalition the LNP. The LNP label only applies in Queensland where National and Liberal actually united to form one party. The Federal Coalition still consists of National and Liberal.
 
Julia said:
Sydboy, you're obviously a pretty intelligent person so I'm surprised that you have succumbed to the mantra that yet again the Labor Party's stuff up is all Mr Abbott's fault. No one made Swan and Gillard do anything.
They were outclassed by the miners. Nothing to do with the Opposition.
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Gillard and Co can take the blame for being bested by the miners. Don't deny that. Baring the GSt can you name one important piece of macroeconomic policy that got passed without bipartisan support?

Pretty much the OCED, IMF, and pretty much most economists all agree that Australia needed some version of the MRRT. We'd probably not have an above parity AUD, and either a SWF with a nice balance or lower taxes for the rest of the non resource economy. We'd certainly be in muh better economic conditions with a lower currency, interest rates at a more neutral level and far more savings from the resource boom than we've got. Oppositions cannot stand back and say they have nothing to do with policy when they do their damned best to obstruct every piece of legislation and force the Govt to do deals with the minor parties to get legislation through both houses. Labor can take the blame for the bastardised version of the GST we have!

What really gets me is I know if the ALP is ousted a the next election that we will get many more years of this obstructionist and divisive kind of politics because they will decide to give as good as they get.

Julia said:
Could I respectfully ask you to stop calling the Coalition the LNP. The LNP label only applies in Queensland where National and Liberal actually united to form one party. The Federal Coalition still consists of National and Liberal.
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Why? They might not be married but their surely living in sin / de facto, much more so that Labor has ever had with the greens. AFAIC they are the same party because they pander to each others interests. Do you every see Tony standing up to Barnaby Joyce when he goes off on one of his rants about the Chinese invading and buying up all our land?
 
sydboy007 said:
What really gets me is I know if the ALP is ousted a the next election that we will get many more years of this obstructionist and divisive kind of politics because they will decide to give as good as they get.
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Excuse me?

When was Oz politics not obstructionist and divisive?
 
McLovin said:
Your views on middle class welfare and the sense of entitlement that goes with it are enlightening. It's pretty funny watching someone contort their views to fit in a box that clearly isn't made for them. Carry on.;)
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Which middle class welfare?

Perhaps you are going on about that I don't have a problem with middle class families paying a bit less tax than those without kids.

After all, middle class workers would pay a fair chunk of tax in this country so don't bite the hand that feeds you!

I'm not in favour of Abbott's paid parental leave for the middle class...not at all.

Are you drinking too much? Do you want a fight because I can give you one if you like...:D:D:D
 
FxTrader said:
+1 Abbott can rarely open his mouth without putting his foot in it. The real crisis for Labor is that in spite of what a poor example of a leader Abbott may be, all he has to do is shut up and the libs will win the next election in a landslide. Abbott and co were following the tea party play book to the letter, to their detriment, but have since changed tack and are now surging in the polls while essentially presenting a barren policy platform. What a sad state the political scene is in here where such a far right leader can be so popular. Abbott will almost certainly be an embarrassment as PM but that matters little to the electorate at the moment, punish Labor is the theme at present.
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Yes agree Labors goose is pretty much cooked all Abbott has to is keep his mouth shut and the Coalition should canter in.
The lurch to the right is a concern its the right who put Abbott in and currently hold the numbers. The piper will have to be paid back.
The right has also been busy getting right wing candidates up in seats that are winnable to hold their position of power. Expect more Sophie Mirabella's and Cory Bernardi's.
Really hard times ahead for the powerless.
 
sails said:
Which middle class welfare?

Perhaps you are going on about that I don't have a problem with middle class families paying a bit less tax than those without kids.

After all, middle class workers would pay a fair chunk of tax in this country so don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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The middle class feeds me? Now who's drinking too much.:D
 
sydboy007 said:
Pretty much the OCED, IMF, and pretty much most economists all agree that Australia needed some version of the MRRT.
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So what! If the Libs are not putting forward any such tax as policy, then that's their decision. They are not obliged to follow the dubious recommendations of various global think tanks.

Why?
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Because, as I have already pointed out, the Federal Nationals and Liberals are not one party. They are two parties working in coalition. In many areas only a National candidate will be standing. Ditto Liberal.
I expect you will find something to argue about with even this, but please don't expect me to continue indulging your desire for argument for the sake of it.
 
I think its crass to point out a politicians lesser physical features but did smile at Mike Carltons line below

Whenever I see Abbott on his hind legs I find myself wondering if the nation really wants a prime minister who walks like a chimpanzee.
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This is typical of Abbotts leadership and no doubt his goverment as PM

Stunt over, the story then cut to Abbott launching into a blast of hypocrisy all his own, the gist of it being that foreigners were and are a wonderful thing.

It was outrageous. Just days before, his immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, had been demanding ''special protocols'' for asylum seekers released into the community. What those protocols might be was never explained. Tattooing numbers on their foreheads, perhaps.

There is no better way of putting this: Morrison is a grub. Time and again he plays on racism and bigotry to score political points. His leader is evidently happy with this, for there is never a rebuke from him, no backtracking.

It's a classic trick from the Liberal Party playbook. Abbott himself used to be sent out to shovel the muck so that John Howard could keep his hands clean. Now that he's leader he's got Morrison and the likes of Christopher Pyne, Cory Bernardi and Eric Abetz to get down and dirty for him. They will make an ugly government.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...of-politics-20130308-2fqsq.html#ixzz2MzlrNRr8
 
IFocus said:
I think its crass to point out a politicians lesser physical features but did smile at Mike Carltons line below
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No, you only think it's crass if it's about your own side. Any rudeness to do with Mr Abbott is all good fun.
What hypocrisy.
 
Julia said:
No, you only think it's crass if it's about your own side. Any rudeness to do with Mr Abbott is all good fun.
What hypocrisy.
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And you're only posting this because someone is picking on Abbott!!! LOL Snap! Have a great weekend Julia. :)
 
Julia said:
No, you only think it's crass if it's about your own side. Any rudeness to do with Mr Abbott is all good fun.
What hypocrisy.
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Scratch the surface of any critic or finger pointer and you will find hypocrisy
 
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