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Peace-loving surfers attacked without mercy. Five deaths within a year in WA. Enough of this green nonsense about protected species. These sharks are out of control.

Its time we took the fight back to them to regain our right to enjoy our beaches. We should allow hunting of them around our coastline and encourage it where attacks have taken place. I say teach them a lesson and with luck they’ll piss off to some other part of the oceans.
 
If you go swimming/surfing then that is a minute percentage risk that you take each time. No different to if you were to go bush-walking by yourself in Africa and get attacked by a lion.

Surfers know the risks, the ocean is sharks (and other marine animals) territory, not humans :2twocents
 
prawn_86 said:
If you go swimming/surfing then that is a minute percentage risk that you take each time. No different to if you were to go bush-walking by yourself in Africa and get attacked by a lion.

Surfers know the risks, the ocean is sharks (and other marine animals) territory, not humans :2twocents
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Who owns the beach? Stop looking like food, maybe you won't get eaten.
 
Are you serious?

Why do humans think we have the supreme right to live at the expense of all other animals?

It's called natural selection.
Something which we are forever meddling with.
That's not the way nature intended it.

You get chomped by a shark.
Tough luck.
You get mauled by a bear.
Tough luck.
You get run over by a bus.
Tough luck.

There are a few humans I would sooner seen culled than sharks.

Perhaps nature should start culling us, before we start annihilating everything that is a threat to our precious lives.
 
Ferret said:
Peace-loving surfers attacked without mercy. Five deaths within a year in WA. Enough of this green nonsense about protected species. These sharks are out of control.

Its time we took the fight back to them to regain our right to enjoy our beaches. We should allow hunting of them around our coastline and encourage it where attacks have taken place. I say teach them a lesson and with luck they’ll piss off to some other part of the oceans.
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I assume (I hope) this is just tongue-in-cheek from you.

Violence is never the answer. It's all about education. The sharks are not educated. They live an uncivilised life. They don't even wear clothes FFS. We will set up underwater schools, and send in the best educated dolphins to teach these sharks how they should behave and coexist with human beings. We will employ killer whales as security guards to prevent the sharks from escaping. We will fund a multiple-media, multiple-platform campaign for shark education. Billboards will be placed at various parts of the seabed, while sharks can also get the latest "How to live with human" App from the AppStore.
 
skc said:
I assume (I hope) this is just tongue-in-cheek from you.

Violence is never the answer. It's all about education. The sharks are not educated. They live an uncivilised life. They don't even wear clothes FFS. We will set up underwater schools, and send in the best educated dolphins to teach these sharks how they should behave and coexist with human beings. We will employ killer whales as security guards to prevent the sharks from escaping. We will fund a multiple-media, multiple-platform campaign for shark education. Billboards will be placed at various parts of the seabed, while sharks can also get the latest "How to live with human" App from the AppStore.
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That is way too complicated.

Just need to convert the sharks to Christianity!
 
prawn_86 said:
If you go swimming/surfing then that is a minute percentage risk that you take each time. No different to if you were to go bush-walking by yourself in Africa and get attacked by a lion.

Surfers know the risks, the ocean is sharks (and other marine animals) territory, not humans :2twocents
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I know the risks – and they’re getting too high.

Marine creatures don’t own the oceans. I can swim and its my right to go for a paddle if I want to. I’m happy to share the oceans with any creature and I’d leave them all alone if they’d do the same with me.

But no, Mr Great White won’t play by those rules. He can have a chomp whenever he likes and we can’t touch him. He’s laughing at us. This has to change.
 
Ferret said:
But no, Mr Great White won’t play by those rules. He can have a chomp whenever he likes and we can’t touch him. He’s laughing at us. This has to change.
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lol i really do hope you are trolling.

So by your theory we should kill all the bee's then? They kill people here on land, more than sharks in fact. What about hippopotamus'? They also kill more people than sharks i guess we should wipe them out?

In fact, other people kill people both by accident on purpose. I think the only solution here is to kill all humans...
 
springhill said:
Are you serious?

Why do humans think we have the supreme right to live at the expense of all other animals?

It's called natural selection.
Something which we are forever meddling with.
That's not the way nature intended it.

You get chomped by a shark.
Tough luck.
You get mauled by a bear.
Tough luck.
You get run over by a bus.
Tough luck.

There are a few humans I would sooner seen culled than sharks.

Perhaps nature should start culling us, before we start annihilating everything that is a threat to our precious lives.
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Up to you if you’re happy to be fodder for any wild animal that comes your way, but I’m not. My life is precious and I want to fight back.

If I go walking in a bear-infested forest, I’ll take a gun. If a bus wants to have a go at me, I’ll drive a tank.

Its not so easy to defend yourself when your out in the surf. I’m working on some promising ideas, but it will take time. Until then, we need to take the fight to the great whites first.
 
Ferret said:
If a bus wants to have a go at me, I’ll drive a tank.
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What are you planning to drive when other people are also driving tanks and start to run people down? An aircraft carrier?
 
prawn_86 said:
So by your theory we should kill all the bee's then? They kill people here on land, more than sharks in fact. What about hippopotamus'? They also kill more people than sharks i guess we should wipe them out?...
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Bees are very important to the ecosystem. I get along fine with them, but I’ll swat any that stings me.

The great white is right at the top of the food chain. We can get by without them and the world won’t end. There will just be a lot of less-stressed surfers and more seals.

I think it is up to the Africans to sort out their differences with the hippos.

prawn_86 said:
In fact, other people kill people both by accident on purpose. I think the only solution here is to kill all humans...
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We lock up or execute murderers, but we let the great whites go on their merry way.
 
Ferret said:
Up to you if you’re happy to be fodder for any wild animal that comes your way, but I’m not. My life is precious and I want to fight back.

If I go walking in a bear-infested forest, I’ll take a gun. If a bus wants to have a go at me, I’ll drive a tank.

Its not so easy to defend yourself when your out in the surf. I’m working on some promising ideas, but it will take time. Until then, we need to take the fight to the great whites first.
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It's already out there. sharkshield, sharkshocker and so on... A ferret's best friend.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
It's already out there. sharkshield, sharkshocker and so on... A ferret's best friend.
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I’ll look into this. I’m having trouble keeping the water out of the high energy laser and the batteries are sinking the back of the board.
 
skc said:
Violence is never the answer. It's all about education. The sharks are not educated. They live an uncivilised life. They don't even wear clothes FFS. We will set up underwater schools, and send in the best educated dolphins to teach these sharks how they should behave and coexist with human beings. We will employ killer whales as security guards to prevent the sharks from escaping. We will fund a multiple-media, multiple-platform campaign for shark education. Billboards will be placed at various parts of the seabed, while sharks can also get the latest "How to live with human" App from the AppStore.
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I admire your compassion, SKC, but this sort of green, basket-weaving approach always costs a fortune without delivering results. What we need is a direct action plan.
 
Ferret said:
The great white is right at the top of the food chain. We can get by without them ..... There will just be ... more seals.
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You need to learn some basic ecology.

When you remove a top-level predator, you get massive side-effects over the entire system. For example, when we stopped the action of the two top level land-based predators here in southern Australia (Dingos and humans), large herbivores increased greatly in number, causing much damage to the plant community through opver-grazing with consequent effects on plant-dependent birds, mammals, and insects. Mid-level predators increased out of control too, in particular foxes and cats, and that has led directly to many species extinctions. (Yes, Dingos are introduced too, but the vital top-level predator role they occupy was previously filled by other creatures, now all extinct. From the point of view of the overall system, it doesn't much matter which species plays a role, just sop long as that role is filled.)

Another example: when wolves were exterminated in the Rocky Mountains, Elk were able to graze in areas that had never been safe for them before, and that led to vegetation loss which in turn led to erosion problems and poor water quality, not to mention serious habitat loss for many other creatures.

And sharks. When you eliminate big sharks, you do indeed get more seals (and other things) and these eat more fish, and that means all sorts of other effects - notably, a reduction in fish catches which means job losses and food price rises. Any time you mess up a working system, it hurts, and this silly call is just another example of that. (Note also that it is possible that the increase in the number of attacks has to do with difficulty in finding enough fish further out to sea where over-fishing by humans is getting worse every year. I have no evidence for this, I just mention it as a reasonabnle possibility that could be investigated.)

What you can do, however, is think about purely local measures to make the beaches safer. Whether that might be in the form of careful selective culling, some method of driving the bigger sharks out to sea further, or some other action, I do not know.
 
Ecosystems always change, just like the climate.

Are you pining for the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth? Jees – as if dangerous oceans aren’t enough!
 
springhill said:
Sounds like you want a risk free life.
No check that, only when it comes to being killed by animals.

What about the humans that might kill you anywhere you may be? Cull them too? Which ones? Can you pick them in a crowd before they get you?

Killed by a falling branch from a tree? Cull those nasty trees!

Trip over hit your head on a rock and die. Cull the rocks!

I suggest you stay tightly tucked in bed at home then. Just watch out for the redbacks.......
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Cull the spiders!

Interesting thread. In my conversations with my surfy mates back home they would actually support the conservation of the Great White. Most surfies are active to promote all forms of conservation as well are they not? Are they also not the most high risk visitor in the ocean?

Can you imagine if we culled everything that was poisonous in Australia as well? Spiders, snakes, fish, the platypus....the blue ringed octopus...

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