Tigerboi's Saturday race tips...

Re:IM FROM MY OWN STABLE...

Dont work in racing at all,was a big punter in the early 90's,drive b-doubles/roadtrains usually on the east coast.(not the r/t on the coast of course)

barrossa valley...let me guess,agnaston the hayes family...

started putting some tips on here awhile ago & had some good winners lately with helideck winning 3 in a row before his trainer threw him in the wfa 10,000...bad move....he shouldve went straight into the straddie which he now has the outside gate(24,start from 20) at 30/1.

casino prince ajc's horse is thrown in a la campaign king in 1988,CP GATE 4 at $4.00 is great value...ill do the tips tomorrow but gonna have a biggie on him at that price(my missus hates gambling)half the field is full of brisbane welter horses who couldnt win if they started now,ive got the apache cat/casino prince,helideck,swick,turffontein(2nd em.i got 200/1 about him weeks ago, may get a start.?) double going for lots $$$

el cambio drew 19 so hes out to $9,swick is $10 a chance but better down the flem.straight=10/1 last year,vormista is $7.50 the danger.big chance..

i think CP has got plenty on this lot,should of won the donc.in the derby bart has moatize who was stiff last start,so i will go all up those 2...i put a stable up some weeks ago..go have a look at them...tb

1991 flashback..jbc sneaks a kiwi mare into the cup weights at 48.5(didnt get passed me)at her 3rd run for jbc she smashed some good stayers with me swooping on the 7/1 as i was waiting for jbc to get her to 2000m.
The great jbc mare LETS ELOPE,winner of the 91 cups double,she won the following with me turning 5k into $1.5m,turnbull 7/1,caulfield cup 8/1,mckinnon stks 7/1(unbelievable price!!)melbourne cup 7/2 fav(the biggest morale ive ever seen in a melb.cup & i bet accordingly)1st up she won the orr stks,st george stks,match race with better loosen up,australian cup...went to sydney & broke down,came back to be 2nd over the line in the cox plate on only 2 lead up sprints,went to america & smashed the best mares over there,dam of utzon winner of the villiers...won me lots of money,started out with $5,000 at 7/1 then kept putting 50% of my winnings on her,works good when you win 7 in a row...just a $50-$100 punter these days...tb

Hi Tigerboi,

I have noticed your success rate in the tipping and was wondering if you have any for this sat (straddie day) at eagle farm? I will be going with a few mates and while we used to enjoy the races and casino regularily the encroaching years and financial commitments have meant we only go once or twice a year now. That also means we have not been following any form lines and would appreciate any advice you can give. I have just bought an investment property so money is a scarce commodity at the moment and a win would be very helpful.

Cheers.

Re: Tigerboi's Saturday race tips...on the way

Jetson said:

Hi Tigerboi,

I have noticed your success rate in the tipping and was wondering if you have any for this sat (straddie day) at eagle farm? I will be going with a few mates and while we used to enjoy the races and casino regularily the encroaching years and financial commitments have meant we only go once or twice a year now. That also means we have not been following any form lines and would appreciate any advice you can give. I have just bought an investment property so money is a scarce commodity at the moment and a win would be very helpful.

Cheers.

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yeah mate just going through the form now,casino prince in the straddie for cummings junior(the owner sold a coal mine to mac coal & has invested $100m in racing,his name is nathan tinkler,so he needs the prince to win for his stallion value,plus if you go back over my posts you will see where i talk about the young cummings likelyhood of a plunge in the straddie,)ive got the double running,plus dont forget he has the 2nd em.turffontein (i got 200/1 on him 4 weeks ago & can win if he starts..)looks like a big day for the cummings clan,going for moatize in the derby...put this horse in your melb.cup black book...tb

Re:KING BART & SON POISED FOR BRISBANE GLORY...

The wily ol' fox jbc going for his 250th group 1 tomorrow with moatize or swick in the straddie,the best tip i can ever give you trendsetters is follow bart cummings(jbc) & now his son anthony(ajc),ive backed 8 of the 11 melb.cup winners(1st 3 in 65,66,67 i was a pup).to give you an idea of what a great trainer of stayers jbc is look at this.won 11 melb.cups + 5 quinellas so he has beaten the field home 16 times,also he had big philou nobbled in 1969 when a dead cert,(big philou beat the winner rain lover a week later after he had won his 2nd cup)...tommy smith ONLY won 2 melb.cups....27 years apart(shouldve been 3 with kingston town in 1982)...

so you punters its off to a full tip of the straddie/derby meeting,big fields the last 6 races so you will get good value,didnt tip last week as i got back late from melb after 2 x 18 hour days,hey someone has to do the hard yards..


EAGLE FARM:STRADBROKE-DERBY..

R1.NO.2.MAJESTIC SIGHT

R2.NO.2.ANTIDOTES(jbc),last start lost rider as he went up beside HELIDECK to win.good chance..has been beating SWICK in work.

R3.NO.15.WITHOUTME,placed in sydney & this race is a lottery,no.8.cloudcatcher also has sydney form...

R4.NO.MR HEARTBREAKER,20/1 shot in a big field with a good chance,no.5.ANOTHER TAKEOVER is also right there.

R5.NO.9.ALVERTA,won 4/12,2x2nds,1x3rd.now 1st up over 1000m,gate 15.last prep 1st up she nearly upset TAKEOVER TARGET at randwick,the only time she got beat 1st up,no TT'S in this race...16/1 pre post.no.7 JAZELLA has been freshened & is the big hope(she d/h with calchris 2 starts ago)

R6.NO.7.MOATIZE,jbc's colt gets his first chance at 2400m,5 starts for 4x2nds & beaten by one of our other stable picks..MISSION CRITICAL(did you all take the quin & exacta? of course you didnt..)in that race MC had all the favours,MOATIZE was squeezed out to last out of the gates,then checked early so he trailed the field over 2020m at doomben(doomben is a very small track),made a sustained long run to only go down by a nose,reckon that cost him at least 4 lengths,different story this week TSERS,eagle farm 2400m & gate 8..,MC out of gate 19 of 20 runners,so bet up on MOATIZE he will show his staying potential.the filly no.19 RATHSALLAGH could be the ko smokey,the oaks winner no.18.RIVA SAN is also there,but she was a surprise winner...on a bog..MOATIZE

R7.NO.1.CASINO PRINCE,i think he is a real good thing at $4.50 pre post,no.14.HELIDECK the horse that won 3 at good odds is at 30/1 from 10/1 with gate 24 he will come into 20 in a field of 20,i said it was a mistake to run him against APACHE CAT at wfa with a 8kg disadvantage,(he was beaten 7 3/4 lengths into 9th in the 10,000.)big blunder by the trainer.HELIDECK needed to win a handicap like the straddie before you go taking on wfa champs like AC.take no.2.SNIPERS BULLET(blinkers on) at $18.00 to repeat his straddie win of last year,he progressed well up to his big win,BUT since then he has struggled to win again...hasnt won since last years straddie...bart has SWICK no.3.in the straddie as well at 10/1,a chance but better off at flemington,im hoping for 2 scratchings so i can have no.22.TURFFONTEIN running at 200/1 for me($100 win)as he is a good chance on his 4 3/4 3rd in the 10,000.beat HELIDECK by 3 lengths & has 2kg less in this race....2 scratchings please...

first 4.so going.1.casino prince,22.turffontein(if runs),3.swick,12.vormista,14.helideck...box them up folks in first 4,tri,quinellas,exactas...plus i got my own doubles still live,AC/CP,SWICK,HELIDECK,TURFFONTEIN(antidotes&terranaba not in field)

what i did was took the odds on fav APACHE CAT in the wfa 10,000,with jbc's/ajc's horses plus helideck.you can see them highlighted in the straddie weights a few posts back...BUT if vormista wins i get nothing...thems the breaks..by the way who was the lucky jagger on the $58m powerball..wowee.

ive left out 16.murtajill(23),el cambio(19)..cant pick them all.

backing CASINO PRINCE straight out,already got TURFFONTEIN at 200/1(if he dont run i lose my cash,but thats all in betting.get in early for big odds but its a risk.i think helideck may get scratched due to his 24 gate.)

R8.NO.14.SATSANG,very hard race the last, no.7.FELIXTRINIDAD looks hard to beat but going for value in SATSANG,gate 13 of 18,had a 10 week let up after running close up in mares quality races.around $9.00 pre post.

so in brissie go hard on moatize put 50% of your winnings on the prince,if your winning after that...put the cue in the rack & go home...

BEST BET:MOATIZE

FLEMINGTON..

R3.NO.6.BULLETIN,gets a 1kg turnaround from the toppie BONDED who has 58kg with no claim,she has the 14 gate in a field of 14 but the flemington 1400m is a good leaders race,looks likely to roll forward & be hard to run down,BONDED will get a nice cover from gate 5 but counting on the 3kg diff telling in the last 100m...

R4.NO.9.PRINCE EIRAM,at this his 4th run back & up to the 2000m he is a top chance,no.3.ELECTRIC MILLION the fav. has won his last 2 here over 1800m & 2000m so hes a 7a system however PE looks to have more scope with only 51 kg..

R5.NO.2.RED ELEMENT,i tipped him in his last start win,won 3/4 for the hayes camp so sticking with RE,no 3.BEAMING a 7a 1200m winner here last start.

R7.NO.5.ROADHOG,first up for jbc over the 1200m hes a good hope at around $6.00..

R8.NO.15.PROMINENT,a zabeel filly trained by danny o'brien back to the 2000m ,last start she showed her staying potential(only her 5th start)by winning a geelong maiden 2200m by 4 1/2 lengths,around 10/1 in a field of 16 for her 1st crack in town...watch for her in the spring staying races,o'brien trained the caulfield cup 1st & 3rd last year....


ok you happy trendsetters go hard or go home & watch out for double points this weekend...tb

FLASHBACK,CUMMINGS RUNS 1,2 AGAIN IN 74 & 75..

THINK BIG,harry white 74-75 melbourne cups,beat jbc's great mare LEILANI(owned by andrew peacock)in 74 at 14/1,never won a race in between & it was pouring so he went out at 33/1 love it,beat jbc's 2nd stringer holiday wagon from memory...great odds for sure,74 was when i started following cummings in the cup,my dad said think big so we backed him in both wins,then 2nd in 76 with gold & black(the footy team i played for wore black & gold jumpers)who came back in 77 to win as fav.for jbc...think big lived out his years on harry whites property as did his 79 winner for jbc HYPERNO(3rd in 77 for geoff murphy)white won his 3rd cup on arwon in 78.
THINK BIG

Re:MAJESTIC SIGHT GETS THE CASH...$3.80..LOL!

In a field of 9 runners MS was the pre post favourite at $2.30,he was 1 of 2 that have won over this course & distance...denoted with a c after their name,he has a tc which means he has won at lest 2 races here at eagle farm,his c came 3starts back when he won over this course & distance..

our tip in the 2nd ANTIDOTES was scratched,won by the favourite no.8.mr slick $2.60,after 4 scratchings left a field of 8..the running double paid $12.20 better odds than by going all up=$3.80x$2.60=$9.88..say 9/1

thats the first lesson in how to pull a race apart,first look for the horses with c's,tc,tcd,look at the horses up to 10/1...90% of winners are in this band so along with form you narrow the chances down,in big fields like the straddie you will go up to 20/1,then cross out the ones you think wont win...

these stats are important...favourites generally win 33% of the time,10% of winners are over 10/1...so heres where you win consistently...

from 2nd fav to 10/1 there is a goldmine of about 57% of winners,usually in this band you will have 3 others besides the favourite,so those 3 will be at prices of around say 7/2,6/1,8/1....what you are working on is the fav.gets beat 67% of the time & 57% of those is a 1 in 3 chance up to 10/1...

take the race 3 at flemington just run,bonded the fav,bulletin 10/1,moylan $3.90 2nd fav,i liked bulletin over the fav as i thought he would lead which it did not,moylan from gate 2 got the cash..this time i got it wrong but if you stay in that band of 2nd fav.to 10/1 you get many more winners from say 3/1 to about 9/1...what it means is you get a 1 in 3 chance to snag 300%-1000% profits...tb

went the wrong way again in melb.it was a toss up between light vision or prince eiram both $4.60 pp,went PE(4th) & LV got the cash at $4.40..sometimes you get it spot on other times you usually run 2nd..

favs...33%

11/1+...10%

2nd fav.-10/1...57%...profit range 300%-1000%

fav.won the 3rd in brissie,withoutme ran on well for 5th...

lets look at the qtc derby up to 10/1,20 runners,3 fillies...

1.mission critical..$4.40,got a soft run to beat moatize last start..gate 19.$13.30.

7.moatize..$3.10,5 starts 4 x2nds,tradegy beaten at doomben over 2020m,bigger track & 2400m is all good for him,my tip...$3.80.or 11/4

18.riva san..$9.50,won the qtc oaks over this course & distance last week at 25/1 on a bog,very few fillies win the oaks/derby,too hard a back up against the colts.gate 6.$6.70

19.rathsallagh..$10.00, neck 2nd to riva san & was a bit unlucky,i expect her to be the ko horse,but there has been overnight betting action...$10.20

11.rainbow styling by staying sire zabeel has been backed overnight from 20/1 into $6.60,he won a hawkesbury maiden by 1 1/2 lengths with 51kg so hes been backed on that...mmm,that form is not worth ,id rather a horse like moatize yet to win but ran 4 2nds in stakes races than a hawkesbury maiden winner...$6.60

latest tab prices in red...

eagle farm showery-slow track,backmarkers looking for ground out wide.

last winner at EF..albert the fat..2nd fav.paid $5.10...4/1

next in brissie.

1.sectagonal...$6.40,gate 7

2.fritzs princess...$5.10 fav,gate 8

9.alverta...$6.20,gate 15,really like her & the wider gate is now to her advantage with the inside all chopped up...nice odds..will come out of 11 gate in a field of 18

16.xaardante...$8.90,come out of gate 17,stablemate to helideck & is a chance...

so here is an example of the 4 upto $10.00,fav 4/1,5/1,11/2 & 8/1...so the best way is to back the 9 & 16.but i already like the 9.but you can see how you can profit very well with the 2nd,3rd,or 4th fav picks...

ive backed ALVERTA...at $6.50...tb

also red element at $3.10...flem r5.no.2

won & paid $3.10...lol won 3/4 & still getting 2/1...

Re:BRISBANE CUP,QLD GUINEAS DAY...

Im still recovering from mr baritones win in the straddie...mr baritone my god....the track down grade played havoc with my chances but thems the breaks...thats racing...

now theres 3 big races up there today,forget the tj smith r4..the fav.fravashi is 1/2..$1.45....

the brissie cup these days is now a group 2 over 2400m,a few years before it was a group 1 over 3200m,shame same for the perth cup...says alot about our stayers or lack of breeding of them,kiwis always had the best stayers as the breeding industry is more like the uk,whereas we are more to the usa of speed...i think weve bred 2 melb.cup winners in 30 years...subzero & jbc last winner...named after a curry...memory please...


QLD GUINEAS.

R6.NO.2.TURFFONTEIN(ajc),didnt get the chance to run for me at 200/1 on saturday.has the best form in the race with his 3rd in open group 1 company in the 10,000 against apache cat,this is a 3 year olds race.i cant believe his price of $6.50 pp.





BRISBANE CUP.

R7.NO.5.VIEWED(jbc)giving barts horse 1 more chance,ran 3 lengths 6th in the doomben cup last start as 4/1,got shuffled back to 11th settling & turn as the rest went around him & he was pocketed,11th on the turn at doomben is not a place to be.also it was his 1st run at wfa & he looks better suited back to a handicap.he drops from 59kg at wfa to 54.5kg here.

danger is the toppie scenic shot,won for us at the gold coast & last start won the important lead up race the pj o'shea stakes 2400m wfa on a heavy track,3rd to him was the mare no.18. dougs mate 2nd in last years qld oaks so she knows the 2400m eagle farm course well(8 starts a ef for 2.2.1)

art success 4th best has won this race when at 3200m...

1st 4...5-1-18-6


in sydney ive been following barts horse r8.no5.mulaman.close to a win after going 3rd 4th 3rd 4th...1 from 2 at randwick...tb



look at chinchilla rose,the grey on the extreme outside from last into 5th..next start get on her...

Re:TURFFONTEIN$8.40,VIEWED$3.40,MULAMAN$6.10,GET THE CASH.

Just gonna blow my trumpet here trendsetters,i cannot believe the price of turffontein..$8.40 then viewed absolutely smashed them aftert sitting 3 wide for most of the race...then to cap it off folks mulaman also gets the cash at $6.10...great day...3 bets 3 winners...the brissie all up paid $28.50...2750% profit plus the 500% from mulaman.

done all i can punters except make you back them...good luck to any of you who backed these especially viewed & turffontein as i identified them as potential good winners for the tb stable.

i am still astonished at getting $8.40 on turffontein,this horse ran 3rd to apache cat in the doomben 10,000 at wfa,no13.tan tat de lago started fav at $3.60 on the strength of his last start win over 1400m ef heavy track,get this...she ran in the 10,000 that turffontein ran 3rd in...she was beaten 14.9 lenths into 11th,while turffontein ran 3rd beaten 5 1/4 lengths...he beat her at wfa by 10 lengths & she is $3.60 & he $8.40,folks that is a good example of sticking with class where a 3 yo comes back from a top run at wfa to his own age group,i thought he would be too classy but not at $8.40.

thanks to the dopes who made TTDL fav.i got 2x what i expected.

tigerboi said:

R7.NO.3.Turffontein AJC'S colt at $8.00 is way over the odds,should be 2ndfav.at $3.50,follow this horse if he wins AJC will send him to brissie for the qld guineas(1600m) & maybe the derby(2400m)

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won the guineas at $8.40

tigerboi said:

viewed,jbc horse in good form

turffontein,ajc colt 2nd in the hawkesbury guineas,should head north

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viewed won the brisbane cup at $3.40

tigerboi said:

Here is were i spoke of anthony cummings taking a horse north to set up for a plunge!casino prince is a late nomination for the stradbroke,AJC as i said he did with campaign king he spread rumours then bang!i will watch very carefully,id say he will start in the doomben 10,000 & if he gets a dry track he will be very hard to beat.


Anthony cummings people,very astute trainer & punter..follow him..he also has turffontein & teranaba in the mix,watch for them as well..

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keep an eye out for terranaba to pick up one of the races before he heads back to sydney.

Re:TURFFONTEIN LANDS THE QLD GUINEAS

Tough Turffontein Lands Deserved Group 2Turffontein announced himself as a big race winner of the future and added a significant amount to his value when he took out the Group 2 Queensland Guineas (1600m) at Eagle Farm today.

The three-year-old colt is the best son of former World Champion two-year-old Johannesburg to race in Australia and today's win gave the Hennessy stallion his most important success in Australia to date.

Trainer Anthony Cummings has no doubt that Turffontein can now take the step up to Group 1 level, after a campaign that started in January, yielded a Listed win in February and then took in three stakes placings during the Sydney carnival, before the colt ran third in last month's G1 Doomben 10,000.

“He's one of the most valuable up and coming stallion prospects around,” Cummings said.

“There's a Group 1 win waiting around the corner and he has all the ingredients necessary to make a stallion in this country.

“He's got the pedigree, the race performance and durability.”

Turffontein is from the Dr Grace mare Spirit Of Grace and his third dam is the wonderful producer Betty Box, whose stakes winning descendants include Hit The Rood, Penny Gem, Fast 'N' Famous, Alynda, Zalinda, Capestad and Altrista.

Turffontein is a $70,000 graduate of the 2006 William Inglis Melbourne Premier Sale.

Cummings said he would now be aimed at the Group 1 VRC Emirates Stakes in the spring in a campaign that would probably also take in the G1 Dubai Racing Club Cup at Caulfield.

Jockey Danny Nikolic is also a fan of Turffontein.

“He always travelled like a winner,” Nikolic said.

“He's been up a long time this horse, but his attitude was terrific today and I like him.

“He's a very tough racehorse and I've got no doubt he would have been very hard to beat had he got a start in the Stradbroke.” (my 200/1 shot!!...)

Turffontein was only made second emergency for the Stradbroke and missed a run.

Second and third placed Hard To Catch and Double Dare had finished behind him in the Doomben 10,000.


http://www.anthonycummings.com.au/default.asp

Re:BART CUMMINGS HAS MADE ME LOTS OF $$$$ IN THE LAST 30 YEARS

James Bartholomew Cummings was born and raised in Adelaide, working for his father at the Adelaide stables after completing high school at Marist Brothers, Sacred Heart College. He took out his own training licence in 1953, utilising his father’s stables. He won his first Group 1 with Stormy Passage in the SAJC Derby in 1958 and has gone on to train stakes winners every year for 47 years since. God`s Own`s win in the 2005 Group 1 Caulfield Guineas saw the stakes winners total reach 678, including 245 Group 1 winners.

Bart established stables at Flemington, now known as Saintly Place, in 1968, which are still his Melbourne headquarters today, and set up stables at Randwick, now known as Leilani Lodge, in 1975, from which he manages his training and spelling operations.

Proving his versatility as a trainer, Bart also trained horses at the time which were winning Group 1 sprint races, such as the Lightning Stakes (Anna Rose), and the major Group 1 race for two-year-olds, the Golden Slipper Stakes (Storm Queen).

In fact he has trained the winner of the Golden Slipper four times to date and won the premier Group 1 sprint race at Flemington, the Newmarket Handicap, a record 8 times, most recently with Shaftesbury Avenue in 1991. Bart's currently has two very good sprinters in Mimi Lebrock and Occurrence who are being aimed at Group One glory.
The 1972/1973 season saw the first of Bart’s horses to be named Champion Racehorse of the Year, in the four time Derby winner Dayana. Since then he has consistently added to the list, with Taj Rossi, Leilani, Lord Dudley, Maybe Mahal, Hyperno, Beau Zam, Let’s Elope and the home bred Saintly the most recent addition in 1996/1997 to bring the current total to nine.

In 1974, Bart was the first trainer not only in Australia, but also in the British Commonwealth, to train the earners of over one million dollars in prize money. The prize money earnings were supported by 20 Group 1 wins, which included Leilani’s five Group 1 successes and the first of Think Big’s two Melbourne Cups.
Bart was honoured with the Order of Australia in 1982 for his services to the racing industry and his tireless promotion of racing to the public. He was subsequently inducted into the Sport Australia Hall of Fame in 1991 and was an inaugural inductee into the Racing Hall of Fame in 2001. Bart has received numerous awards over the years from sporting bodies, including Victoria Racing Media Personality of the Year 1997. He was also honoured with the Centennial Medal in 2000 and in the same year carried the Olympic torch down the Flemington straight.

Bart broke another record in 1988, when he was the first trainer to reach earnings of over six million dollars in prize money, this time with eleven Group 1 winners with horses such as Champion stayer Beau Zam and sprinter/miler Campaign King.

Bart purchased the historic property Princes Farm in 1988, located on the Nepean River at Castlereagh, within easy driving distance of the Randwick stables. The 150 acre spelling and breeding complex complements Bart’s training and breeding activities and it was at Princes Farm that Saintly was born and raised. The Cummings family have always bred their own horses as well as making purchases at the many yearling sales throughout Australia and New Zealand. Recent breeding successes include Taikun, Flying Pegasus, Outback Prince, Hotel Grand, Moonboat and the promising Related.
`Bart & Saintly at Princes Farm`
In 1989/1990, JB Cummings won the trainers premiership in three different states, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia, the first time it had been done. There were 20 stakes winners and six Group 1 wins that season, including Tristanagh’s VATC 1000 Guineas and VRC Oaks. Bart is now one of the few top trainers to operate stables at Flemington and Randwick, as well as running his own spelling and breeding complex.

The establishment of the Racing Hall of Fame occurred in 2001, and Bart was an inaugural inductee, along with other significant contributors to racing, such as Tommy Smith, George Moore and the immortal Phar Lap. Bart’s topline stayer Galilee was inducted in 2005 for his staying performances in the 1960’s which includes a Sydney Cup win by a margin of six lengths carrying 60.5kgs in 1967.
The Australian Racing Museum moved to Federation Square in Melbourne in 2004 and Bart Cummings’ 11 Melbourne Cup trainers' trophies are currently on display there, an impressive sight. In fact it was Mrs. Valmae Cummings, Bart’s wife, who first suggested trainers should receive a miniature replica of the Melbourne Cup trophy presented to the owners, a suggestion which has since been implemented by the Victorian Racing Club.
In 2004, Bart received a surprise honour from the VRC. The club presented J.B.Cummings with Lifetime Membership, the first time a trainer has received the honour. The VRC also re-named the 2500m open handicap race previously known as “The Banjo Paterson” race, “The Bart Cummings”, which appropriately, is a Melbourne Cup qualifying race.
Bart is still actively training from his Randwick and Flemington stables and regularly attends the annual yearling auctions looking for his next champion. With his consistent selection and training techniques, there is no reason the "Cups King" cannot add more trophies to his owners` cabinets.

viewed,4yo horse..by scenic(ire)-lovers knot(nz)

Re:MIRACLE MILES OF YESTERYEAR,POPPY,PURE STEEL

Hi son of bag limit mate,ive put a few of the old greats together so you can have a look,poppy,pure steel,westburn grant,mt eden...

ill do a thoroughbred(tb) edition as well of the greats,phar lap,kingston town,all the great cox plate winners.maybe put together a bart cummings compilation of his 11 cup winners...tb

village kid 1987 miracle mile...........................................................................................preux chevalier 1985 miracle mile
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popular alm 1983 miracle mile.....................................................................mt eden 1971 miracle mile
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pure steel 1978 miracle
mile..............................................................................................................westburn grant 1990 miracle mile
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Re:BART STILL LOOKING FOR HIS 250TH GROUP 1 WIN

The decision to downgrade the Brisbane Cup to Group two level has cost Bart Cummings his 250th Group One winner.
Cummings won the race fro the first time in 33 years yesterday when Viewed spread-eagled the field in a race that until 2006 had been a Group One event.
But authorities demoted the Brisbane staying feature, at the same time reducing it to 2400m from the traditional 3200m.
While the delay in reaching the 250 mark is bound to be temporary, the trainer would have enjoyed reaching the figure in a 3200m race.
"I suppose it would have been good to do it in that sort of race, but there’ll be a next time," Cummings said.
Viewed scored by seven lengths from Fulmonti with Sky Biscuit in third place.
Viewed’s owner, Malaysian businessman Dato Tan Chin Nam had considered selling viewed to Hong Kong owners earlier this year, but Cummings said he talked him into keeping him in Australia.
The result may well be a fourth Melbourne Cup for the Dato for whom Cummings has already won the race with Thing Big twice and Saintly.
Earlier on the Eagle Farm program, Cummings son Anthony continued his outstanding form winning the G2 Queensland Guineas with Turffontein.
Turffontein had been an emergency in Saturday’s Stradbroke Handicap and had missed a start, a race in which Cummings believed he had outstanding prospects.
Turffontein sat outside the leader Royal Discretion until the 250m mark and then strode clear to score by 1-1/4 lengths.

on the subject tiger, whats your opinion re:the grading of australias races.

surely weve been too group 1,2,3 heavy for many years.

i can only see maybe 9 races in australia worthy of that status.

melb cup, caul cup, vrc derby, caul guineas, cox plate, ajc derby, slipper, newmarket, doncaster

these are target races - the good horses long term plan is for THAT race - the rest are just leadups.

son of baglimit said:

on the subject tiger, whats your opinion re:the grading of australias races.

surely weve been too group 1,2,3 heavy for many years.

i can only see maybe 9 races in australia worthy of that status.

melb cup, caul cup, vrc derby, caul guineas, cox plate, ajc derby, slipper, newmarket, doncaster

these are target races - the good horses long term plan is for THAT race - the rest are just leadups.

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I disagree. You need more than just those 9 races, (blue diamond should of popped in there too) else the industry will suffer... less people at race days, less prizemoney, other states will miss out and slowly dwindle away, and for the breeding side of things it will make it very hard for a horse to prove itself to be good enough to be considered for stud.
The races you have quoted are the 'sexy' races that everyone likes to win, but you still need the others.

Racing enthusiasts don't wanna wait around for a handfull of big races

but when trying to draw a comparison on the world stage, the rest just laugh at us - too many minor hcp & wfa races with high level black type.

sir tristram holding the world record for group 1's a few years back was a joke

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son of baglimit said:

on the subject tiger, whats your opinion re:the grading of australias races.

surely weve been too group 1,2,3 heavy for many years.

i can only see maybe 9 races in australia worthy of that status.

melb cup, caul cup, vrc derby, caul guineas, cox plate, ajc derby, slipper, newmarket, doncaster

these are target races - the good horses long term plan is for THAT race - the rest are just leadups.

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I will do a full report on this soon SOB,it all started with giving S.A. 2 group 1 oaks the australasian oaks at 2000m & the normal 2400m oaks(2000m oaks...)then you had the aussie guineas 1600m at flemington,recently you had the tj smith in sydney upgraded to gr 1 run before the galaxy...dumb..

i like the 3200m cups myself,while not all good horses go for the brisbane,perth,adelaide cups i still think they shouldve stayed gr1 3200m.

there was always about 65 group 1's,the races you speak of are the classics,the best of the best,the breeding industry has a big say in it as well,look at the myer 1600m for mares now a group 1,however upgrading & dropping some seems 6/1 half dozen the other atm.

lightning,vrc oaks,1000 guineas can be added to your 9,give me 30 mins & i can find 20 good group 1's..tb

Re:JIM BYRNE SET FOR BIG DAY AT IPSWICH

The brisbane carnival is over now so we head to ipswich(bundamba it was called..1st trip to brissie some time ago i missed the toll road off the ipswich highway...had to chuck a u bolt at the lights at bundamba..b/double too)

so all the good horses are spelling now for the big spring however the jbc/ajc combo that did the right thing by us on monday JBC has 1 in,ajc has 2.

jim byrne can possibly ride 5 winners so im going to link him up in a few 2,3,4 all ups...great rider up there...

now after this meeting the stable will get wiped as we head back to sydney for the winter,i will put a new team together for the spring,go through the cup weights & try to find some good cups doubles,if you are a keen punter then keep an eye out for the 2008 millers guide,the punters bible..

IPSWICH

R1.NO9.PRIMA NOVA.ajc brought her up for the oaks but her campaign has been hampered by wet tracks,this will be her consolation over 1666m.

R2.NO.4.YIELD CURVE.2150M,won 2 races here,j.byrne & gate 1.$5.00

R3.NO.1.ARJUNA.1200M,2 starts back he beat the group 1 winner ROCKDALE,got a good horses weight 58kg..$3.00,j.byrne

R4.NO.10.OUR MAGIC,last start 2nd to gently bently over 1200m rosehill with 56kg,down to 53kg,1350m,j.byrne,gate 8,$4.00

R5.NO.11.DANCE GIRL DANCE,hard race to assess as alot have not been suited by the heavy tracks,ajc has LADY GRACIOUS in at 30/1 so going to have a few on her as well...

R6.NO.14.ANTIDOTES,bart had this one spot on until he loomed up to helideck to win,blundered & lost his rider,good chance at 12/1 pp

R7.NO.8.SNYONYM,this horse has won his last 3 in sydney up to the 2150m in only a 11 horse field,j.byrne,$6.00...no 3 rampant lion is the fav.htb

R8.NO.17.SAMUI STAR,hes the 2nd emergency but it looks like he will get a run,a 4yo with only 10 starts unlike the rest of the field,has won 4 plus 2x2nds,also he won here at todays distance 1100m,he won 1st up at the gold coast by 4 lengths last start with 56.5kg,drops to 54.5kg & he has the 1 gate,atm hes $9.00 pp.danger is no 11.ulladula,j.byrne,$4.60 fav but has 19 gate...

best...ANTIDOTES

roughie...R5.NO.13.LADY GRACIOUS

SANDOWN,winter is jumping season & i love the jumpers...
STEEPLE 3900M
R4.NO.6.JAMRAAN,this fellow finished only 2 1/4 from the $1.60 fav toulouse lautrec(won 5 from 6 over the steeples) last start,at $9.00 i give him the best chance of a boilover
HURDLE 3400M
R5.NO.1.EMGEE REX,the toppie looks well in with 68kg & not giving anymore than 4 kg,won in record time at flemington last start & beat some are bent,good odds..$5.50

RANDWICK,only like 2 of ajc/jbc's...

R6.NO.8.WISHA,ajc filly, 4th start,& up to 1400m now,good odds..$8.00

R8.NO.10.KING'S FIRST, 2 back bart got a win over 1900m at canterbury,then at 2000m the 1st time last start here he went down narrowly to no.11.two towers,KF has gate 14 of 14 but that just means we will get a better price,look for him at 2400m where i think he will really go well..

good luck...tb


FLASHBACK...1990
KINGSTON RULE,BARTS 8TH CUP,THE KINGSTON TOWN CONNECTION.
the owner of KT was a merchant banker named david hains who in 1984 took KT & his 1981 horse of the year ROSE OF KINGSTON to the usa with the intention of racing KT but he did not race due to his dicky legs,hains started his own boutique breeding operation with the top broodmares he had at the time.

In 1985 he put the sensational 1973(i think) triple crown winner SECRETARIAT($200,000USD service fee) over ROK,the colt turned out to be KR,hains took him to europe for a few starts & he won over 1600m in france (i think again),hains decided to shut down his breeding operations & bring his horses back to australia.

No son of SECRETARIAT had stood or raced in australia at that time,this was before the advent of shuttle stallions,so hains gave KR to tommy smith to train as he had trained the great KT for him,i think his dam ROK was trained by bob hoysted who had manikato at the same time.

I remember KR's 1st & only start for tommy smith was on a bog track over 1600m,he ran tailed off about 30 lengths last...tommy smith said to david hains...he needs to be gelded!a son of the mighty SECRETARIAT gelded..no wonder hains got him on the float to send him to bart cummings stables asap

Come the spring i was watching KR as i thought he was barts chance for his next melbourne cup after the 80's when bart didnt win a melbourne cup,KR 1st up at 1600m for JBC won a slashing 1600m at sandown,from then on bart kept him at wfa up to 2000m so he wouldnt get a penalty for the cup.

His mooney valley cup 2600m win with the pumper cassidy swinging in the irons showed me what a turn of foot he had for a stayer,his breeding suggested he would be real stout & dour,but heres where the real genius of bart cummings came in,he knew he needed to run him again before the cup & most trainers used the mckinnon for the final lead up,jbc needed to send him over 2400m to get at least 10,000m in his legs.

KR's 2400m blow out was the dalgety 2500m where he ran 2nd to a grey trained by david hayes,it was a brilliant cup trial for the dalgety which jbc normally uses for his 2nd stringers.the scene was set for bart to lift the trophy,tigerboi had backed KR all spring into 7/2 i had a fortune on this & this is what happened...

Caulfield Guineas tomorrow anyone got a tip?

pan said:

Caulfield Guineas tomorrow anyone got a tip?

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My money is on Von Costa De Hero, and All American. Both paying great odds, both coming into form... 1 is due for a big win soon.

pan said:

Caulfield Guineas tomorrow anyone got a tip?

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Yes, my parents' horse is running in that. (I'm not really into the racehorse thing, but they certainly are). Guess I should watch the race! I don't think I'll tell you the horse's name....might give it bad luck.

Re:joe blow wins at randwick pays $3.00

Hi joe blow hope you took my private tip recently for "joe blow" a 5 yr old gelding trained by the master my favourie trainer bart cummings,hes owned by singo & had a lot of problems but hes by sadlers wells & closely related to strawberry road,he got the cash at $3.00 yesterday

The good horses are back now & bart & son anthony have had some good winners lately,yes i did back viewed in the melbourne cup prepost at 50/1 & some 40/1 on the day also backed jbc other runner moatize(6th).funny thing i was in melbourne the day before & asked the boss could he hold me over for a night so i can go to the cup...no chance he says get back to sydney.

i was already set on viewed but decided to have some on him at the tab because jbc didnt give him a gear change for the cup,i remember saying at the 800m gee this kid shinn has ridden viewed a treat,i thought he might run on ok for maybe 3rd,when he gapped them on straightening i jumped out of the chair i said jesus i backed this months ago at 50/1,then i saw bauer & thought 2nd at 50/1 straight out is dumb.shinn carried him,great ride for a kid...

so i won a stack with my longest price cup winner & jbc got his 12th.

this week jbc has got swick who in the spring won at 20/1 by beating ajc colt turffontein,father & son quinella.

swick is a flemington straight track specialist & won the newmarket 2 years ago,same with sirmione seems to only win at flemington when its soft as he won this race the austrailan cup last year to go with his mckinnon win the spring before at 60/1.

follow these with confidence gods hand,sunday rose,swick,sirmione,blessus,tolaga,rajasi,sweet science,joe blow

dandaad,zazzabeau & moatize are stayers to back from 2000m
mimi le brock is a top class mare watch for her in the fillies group 1 1500m at rosehill & the doncaster handicap

viewed will be aimed at the rich weight for age races in sydney such as the ranvet & bmw & the sydney cup if he doesnt get too much weight,hes 1st up run for 4th was a great pointer for the big races.

dont forget barts son anthony he has a top stable in his own right...good luck...TB