DeepState
Multi-Strategy, Quant and Fundamental
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The broker owns the shares. I've never understood how that really works, presumably there are protections somewhere along the line to stop a rogue broker using your shares as security for his holiday home in the Hamptons.
It is exactly this issue which was my immediate suspicion. IB could be cheap because it is lending your stock out and generating a heap of income which it keeps for itself. Hence you are exchanging cheap brokerage etc, for credit risk.
Except...on review, it looks like the assets are held in a nominee custodian in trust, whether in an associated company or not. And, they don't seem to lend your stock out unless you let them. Westpac On-line is the same, yet they can't come close to the brokerage levels, for example.
There just has to be something that explains this gap and I'm not comfortable with not knowing. Maybe they have the most super-efficient platform or something. Whatever. What is it?
As of December 31, 2015 and December 31, 2014, approximately $17.0 billion and $17.1 billion, respectively, of customer margin loans were outstanding.
It is exactly this issue which was my immediate suspicion. IB could be cheap because it is lending your stock out and generating a heap of income which it keeps for itself. Hence you are exchanging cheap brokerage etc, for credit risk.
Except...on review, it looks like the assets are held in a nominee custodian in trust, whether in an associated company or not. And, they don't seem to lend your stock out unless you let them. Westpac On-line is the same, yet they can't come close to the brokerage levels, for example.
There just has to be something that explains this gap and I'm not comfortable with not knowing. Maybe they have the most super-efficient platform or something. Whatever. What is it?
DS are you stil around?
Would love to hear your thoughts on the current outlook. This whole concept of negative yield bonds has me confused - I don't understand why anyone would buy negative yielding paper - is the economy in that much trouble?
If it is, what do we do? Does negative interest rates infer gold is now a positive carry instrument?
Great as always DS and I feel I'm now at a point where I actually understand most of what you are saying.
Why I like your posts is that you have an economic understanding but you've clearly run money. Its the run money part I like.
So I'll keep digging.
As I stand back and I think well I can't buy bonds, and equities risk/reward don't look great - where do I turn to put my (small) hard earned? Australian property looks as bad as bonds to me also so the options become scarce quickly.
Perhaps some buy+hold equities? Perhaps some alternate options you suggest and I agree good mean reversion or momentum type strategies would (should?) outperform buy+hold. I'm still left with plenty to allocate though.
Gold is an option for some of it but what's the best way to play them? Etf's? Stocks? The XGD is up crazy numbers in the past year can I jump on now?
Seems to me I have two options:
1. I'm stuck running a standard 60/40 with some strategy exposure on the equity side and oveepriced bonds just hoping the past is the future and the strategies hold up - this feels wrong.
2. I keep some in equities put some under the mattress and the rest in gold and hope the world falls over - this also feels wrong.
Don't mean to clog your thread but conceptually it just seems super difficult right now to build a plan. Happy for this post to be moved should it not fit the theme of thread or I'm the only one thinking these things.
Regardless please do post more, Im sure I'm not the only one thinking that!
It's been a real struggle for me as well. I am so struck by how hard it is to generate a real return now. My hopes/plans(?) for investment returns are remarkably modest. Yet even they seem precarious.
I feel that I know this much when forming a plan:
1. No matter what you hope to earn, the governing factors are knowing what you cannot afford to lose and making sure that this does not occur.
That idea is expressed via exposures to many thousands of stocks (I hold around 80 Australian shares directly and overseas developed and emerging markets shares largely via ETFs).
This thread has no defined topic so please feel free to express your views and invite comment from myself or others who may be passing by.
Hi DS,
I would be interested to know how you go about keeping on top of your 80 Direct Australian share holdings. Seems like a lot of work.
What is your average hold time with your holdings?
Do you base your decisions on Fundamentals, Technicals or a combination of both??
I would also be interested in knowing with these holding over the last say 12-18 months how many went up in price, sideways and down in price.
What type of return are you aiming for on average???
Cheers
Triathlete
Most of the positioning is motivated by a systematic approach. It is an implementation of simple smart beta concepts and also the mispricing of franking credits. The portfolio is risk managed based on fundamentals like industry membership and also statistical properties. Other measures are observed. There is a fair bit going on. In terms of technicals, there is no crossing of MA lines, VWA, EWs etc. motivating any position. However, I do care about the historical pattern of returns in other ways and also for risk management. Even with the systematic approach as a base, nothing hits the market unless I am satisfied that the idea makes sense given what it is trying to achieve. In some cases, like MVF-AU, I will deep dive and any insights here are blended into the portfolio in a way which treats these insights as if they were another systematic source of return. Rebalancing occurs every month of two, whenever I get around to it. It's not that sensitive to this. Around 50 lines will trade each time, not all of which are complete closures or fresh opens.
What I do is not completely straight-forward. Given your questions are about the AEQ component, I suppose I could say that my concern is performance vs ASX 200 in this part and that it beats cash in general. Runs with a tracking error of 3% per annum. Aim to get about 2-3% per annum outperformance. Holding period is about a year. All going fine. Don't really know the stock level hit rate. Not something I watch. I'm interested in the strategy hit rate, which is doing just fine. The net exposure to Australian shares as an asset class represents around 10% of the risk (variance) in my portfolio. I figure that the market will go up and, when pressed, will offer up an expectation of maybe 5%-9% per annum as a multi-decade total (pre franking) return. These figures are based off concepts along the lines which Craft has mentioned elsewhere and are used elsewhere in the industry for long range 'prediction'.
Thanks DS,
I am actually not sure what you mean by "mispricing of franking credits" are you able to explain this part??
when you talk about "2-3% outperformance" you mean above the return of the ASX200 over the same timeline.??
Thanks again
Cheers
Triathlete
I would be interested to know how you go about keeping on top of your 80 Direct Australian share holdings. Seems like a lot of work.
I am actually not sure what you mean by "mispricing of franking credits" are you able to explain this part??
A good chunk of the Australian equity market is also managed by fund managers who are generally measured on the basis of pre-tax returns. All things equal, Australian tax payers who benefit from franking should tilt towards stocks which pay franked dividends.
Not when you have a team of 8 FTE working in your family office...
I remember reading some academic research paper has shown that, on ex-div date, most companies share price fall by the amount of the dividend paid (all else being equal), rather than by the amount of grossed up dividend (which is dividend + franking credits). This has been the case after the introduction of the 45-day rule. You can certainly observe these in ex-div of popular fully franked income stock like TLS and banks.
Every now and then you get trading opportunities around these. Like takeovers and off market buybacks with large "franked special dividend" components and arb some mispriced franking credits (or if you could get international borrow on shorts... you can short the stock if it priced in franking).
In Brexit, apparently the UK would be clearly the biggest loser as its total trade with Europe would be affected. In Europe, each country's total trade with the UK is much smaller as a proportion of their individual economies. So...why, might you think, are we seeing this (FTSE revisiting recent pre-Brexit highs, Euro STOXX 50 not close to regaining these)?
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DS,
Have you seen the FTSE 100 vs the FSTE 250 over last week? Very different story I believe - I saw a chart of it midweek - I'll try to dig it up.
The theory was the FTSE 100 is extremely export heavy - benefiting from the lower GDP compared to the 250 which is more heavily linked to the domestic economy
Swiss government bond yields all the way out to 50-year maturities have now all turned negative, as the global bond rally powers ahead amid deep economic uncertainty.
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