The worst government in Australia's history?

[So_Cynical]

LOL Biased ? Around here I think I am more like vermin on the cull list as the shrill gathers momentum.

Any sort of balance to these conversations has long left the room.

I was going to say 'God Dam' we need a thumbs up button...but we don't cos the Looney ASF right would be endlessly rewarding themselves, like some sort of bizaro world menziean, flat earth cult.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I was going to say 'God Dam' we need a thumbs up button...but we don't cos the Looney ASF right would be endlessly rewarding themselves, like some sort of bizaro world menziean, flat earth cult.

You need to come back to the centre, you are like an ABC producer, planning his or her day.

The world is a good place, it is just not exclusively an ALP world.

There are good people on the right and the left.

Relax.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

You need to come back to the centre, you are like an ABC producer, planning his or her day.

The world is a good place, it is just not exclusively an ALP world.

There are good people on the right and the left.

Relax.

gg

There are some great people on the left...........non of whom support the Giilard Govt.

 

[Smurf1976]

Electric Eric-----------------------.47
Burke -----------------------------.51
Joh Bjelkee's administration----.65 on the Brevik... serious incapacitation necessary
Robert Askin----------------------.69 on the Brevik... even more serious incapacitation necessary
NSW Labor 2000-2011-----------.77 on the Brevik.... and so on.
Billy McMahon--------------------. lean forward and rub forehead

Of that lot, Electric Eric (Eric Reece, Labor premier of Tasmania 1958 - 1969 and 1972 - 1975) is somewhat unique in having been publicly held in high regard by both major parties. That plus the physical things built and established by his government still account for a great deal of the state's infrastructure and ongoing wealth creation today.

Corruption aside, it could also be said that Sir Joh B did bring about much overall progress for Queensland.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Ms.Gillard has announced another $1b spend.

Is it about workers or shoring up her political base in Victoria and South Australia?

From the AFR.

Key elements of the plan include:

A $500 million investment in 10 innovation precincts that will bring together business, the research sector and service providers to work together. The first two precincts will be a manufacturing precinct in Melbourne and Adelaide and a food precinct in Melbourne.

This is getting beyond a joke.

gg

 

[Miss Hale]

Ms.Gillard has announced another $1b spend.

Is it about workers or shoring up her political base in Victoria and South Australia?

From the AFR.



This is getting beyond a joke.

gg

What a waste. This will have no impact at all. Save the money and get rid of all the red tape, green tape and other barriers that make starting or running a business difficult these days.

 

[sails]

Ms.Gillard has announced another $1b spend.

Is it about workers or shoring up her political base in Victoria and South Australia?

From the AFR.



This is getting beyond a joke.

gg

Ant this while she potentially makes young children's lives even harder by forcing their mums out to work before the kids are in high school.

They have continued dangling the baby bonus to bring these kids into the world with policies to allow the single parents to stay at home on a small income until their kids are older. No problem with bringing it back to age 12, but 8 is much too young to be a latch key kid if the parent can't afford child care out of pocket fees.

And this will not even save a billion over four years - and I think they have the costings wrong anyway. There will be higher child care rebates for the government for some of these parents and some kids will likely end up in foster care because the parent has too much on their plate (much more expensive for the government).

It's all about votes for Gillard. Single parents are only a small part of the community and so easy to dispense with them and their kids while dishing out larger amounts to get votes.

 

[FlyingFox]

What a waste. This will have no impact at all. Save the money and get rid of all the red tape, green tape and other barriers that make starting or running a business difficult these days.

I agree with your point about the red tape etc but disagree that this is a waste. Australia already punches above its weight when it comes to research and innovation. We need to increase this further. We do not have very many competitive industries left.

We need to find more niche industries and marketd etc because unless we significantly devalue our dollar, many traditional industries including manufacturing and tourism are dead.

Now I have have not read the details of the plan so the execution of it still could be a complete waste.

 

[Bushman]

The polls have spoken and the message is this government is a shocker.

What I find surprising from Labor die hards is that they seem to not be able to see the damage Gillard and Swan are doing to the ALP brand? This could set the party back for a decade and that is not good for the political process.

Meanwhile Krudd is making more and more theatrical denials regarding the leadership. He is 'old testament' in his need for revenge. The party that ate itself.

***** addendum - Milne has now said that the Green-Labor alliance is dead due to the lies to the minorities about the MRRT. Burn, baby, burn. Watch the other cross benchers that are not in the docks run for the hills too. Survival and relevance will be the word of the day.

 

[nulla nulla]

Ms.Gillard has announced another $1b spend.

Is it about workers or shoring up her political base in Victoria and South Australia?

From the AFR.



This is getting beyond a joke.

gg

Actualy the joke is more in how long it is spent over and how it will be funded. The reality is, it is something that would only ever have a chance of happening "if" labour was re-elected and survived another term. The reality is, this "spend" will never ever happen. Hollow rhetoric from a desperate skipper clutching at straws.

Further, the longer the ALP caucus and numbers men continue to support Gillard, the more credibility they lose. It was on the basis of the polls that Kev was knifed. Even though the polls on the morning of the assasination showed that Kev was rebounding. The polls in the last six months or more show that gillard has passed her "use by date". She is well and truly on the nose.

The reality now is that there will be a change of government. The challange to labour is to minimise the number of seats they are going to lose. Gillard and Swan are liabilities. Too mired in left wing dogma to be able to step back and see the damage they have done. Too blinded by their own ego's to see that they are the problem not the solution.

Like it or lump it, Labor needs to bring back Kev and sweep the halls clean of the "Gillard" team in the lead up to the election, if only to have some hope of retaining sufficient seats to be considered as a real political party. The alternative is to suffer the same humiliation as the NSW labor party and become a second rate opposition...for decades.

 

[sails]

...Like it or lump it, Labor needs to bring back Kev and sweep the halls clean of the "Gillard" team in the lead up to the election, if only to have some hope of retaining sufficient seats to be considered as a real political party. The alternative is to suffer the same humiliation as the NSW labor party and become a second rate opposition...for decades.

And then dump him again when it suits them?

 

[IFocus]

And then dump him again when it suits them?

Like Turnbull?

 

[MrBurns]

And then dump him again when it suits them?

I dont think they can bring him back but something's going to happen, not sure what but the phones will be running hot right now I would think.

 

[waza1960]

And then dump him again when it suits them?

If Krudd becomes PM again it will be with conditions IMO...
Shorten will be Deputy PM and takeover once they lose the election...
I doubt if Rudd with his massive ego wants to be opposition leader probably wanting a UN post by then

 

[Smurf1976]

We need to find more niche industries and marketd etc because unless we significantly devalue our dollar, many traditional industries including manufacturing and tourism are dead.

Such is the problem with all sides of politics and their obsession with not intervening in the market.

What other countries don't push currency values around and/or actively protect their industries in some way?

I'm not against research, but it's not going to employ more than a tiny fraction of the population. We need to keep other industries as well. As for the manufacturing precinct in Adelaide and Melbourne, that's a bit like saying you're going to have a tourism precinct on the Gold Coast or a political precinct in Canberra. There's more than enough abandoned factory sites in Adelaide and Melbourne either sitting empty or used as nothing more than storage etc without needing to set up a special precinct for them. There are also plenty of such sites in Tasmania, and I'd guess that the other states probably have heaps of them as well.

 

[sptrawler]

It's very hard not to be cynical of Gillard running around saying we need to create jobs, when 30,000 have been lost in Victoria alone, since September.

It is about time she started showing the new technolgy jobs that the carbon tax was going to bring about.
Maybe start and highlight the new industries that are being born from the NBN and also from the carbon reduction programes.

The only stand out is the closing down of our solar panel manufacturing.

 

[FlyingFox]

Such is the problem with all sides of politics and their obsession with not intervening in the market.
What other countries don't push currency values around and/or actively protect their industries in some way?

The problem is we are too small a economy to actually play the game. It is very hard for us to fix the currency here. Even the PM admitted as much this week (that the AUD may be strong for a while to come; propoganda I know but I have not heard anyone from politics admitting this).

Moreover with mining in full swing in the last decade, we have actually lost capabilities in many areas.

I'm not against research, but it's not going to employ more than a tiny fraction of the population. We need to keep other industries as well. As for the manufacturing precinct in Adelaide and Melbourne, that's a bit like saying you're going to have a tourism precinct on the Gold Coast or a political precinct in Canberra. There's more than enough abandoned factory sites in Adelaide and Melbourne either sitting empty or used as nothing more than storage etc without needing to set up a special precinct for them. There are also plenty of such sites in Tasmania, and I'd guess that the other states probably have heaps of them as well.

I agree that we need other industries including manufacturing but the truth is we can't compete on labor alone. We need an X factor. A good example is Codan. They are so efficient that they undercut Chinese counterfeiters. Another example is manufacturing using alloys and titanium.

I was at a talk recently about future directions etc. And the presenter showed a map from freelancer.com with jobs originating in AU, US and UK being filled in India, China etc. He went on to say that all the easy work can be easily outsourced. There is a programmer, engineer or even quantum physicist in India, China or Pakistan that will do the job for cheaper. He said we need to do the hard things, the projects that can't be easily done elsewhere or easily outsourced.

 

[Julia]

Actualy the joke is more in how long it is spent over and how it will be funded. The reality is, it is something that would only ever have a chance of happening "if" labour was re-elected and survived another term. The reality is, this "spend" will never ever happen. Hollow rhetoric from a desperate skipper clutching at straws.

Further, the longer the ALP caucus and numbers men continue to support Gillard, the more credibility they lose. It was on the basis of the polls that Kev was knifed. Even though the polls on the morning of the assasination showed that Kev was rebounding. The polls in the last six months or more show that gillard has passed her "use by date". She is well and truly on the nose.

The reality now is that there will be a change of government. The challange to labour is to minimise the number of seats they are going to lose. Gillard and Swan are liabilities. Too mired in left wing dogma to be able to step back and see the damage they have done. Too blinded by their own ego's to see that they are the problem not the solution.

+1.

Like it or lump it, Labor needs to bring back Kev and sweep the halls clean of the "Gillard" team in the lead up to the election, if only to have some hope of retaining sufficient seats to be considered as a real political party. The alternative is to suffer the same humiliation as the NSW labor party and become a second rate opposition...for decades.

Why should Kevin Rudd agree to save the Labor Party after the way they're treated him at the expense of his own standing? It's hard to imagine Labor can have even any chance of winning, so I don't see our Kev with his massive ego agreeing to be the patsy who loses the election.
Surely far better for him personally to stay right out of it now, let Julia Gillard experience the massive loss she so deserves, and then graciously accept the Labor Party's begging him to redeem them.

 

[sptrawler]

The problem is we are too small a economy to actually play the game. It is very hard for us to fix the currency here. Even the PM admitted as much this week (that the AUD may be strong for a while to come; propoganda I know but I have not heard anyone from politics admitting this).

Moreover with mining in full swing in the last decade, we have actually lost capabilities in many areas.



I agree that we need other industries including manufacturing but the truth is we can't compete on labor alone. We need an X factor. A good example is Codan. They are so efficient that they undercut Chinese counterfeiters. Another example is manufacturing using alloys and titanium.

I was at a talk recently about future directions etc. And the presenter showed a map from freelancer.com with jobs originating in AU, US and UK being filled in India, China etc. He went on to say that all the easy work can be easily outsourced. There is a programmer, engineer or even quantum physicist in India, China or Pakistan that will do the job for cheaper. He said we need to do the hard things, the projects that can't be easily done elsewhere or easily outsourced.

Whatever we build, it can be built cheaper overseas.
The only two things we have, that India and China don't, is huge areas of arable land and easily accessible massive coal and gas reserves.
That's our x factor and we've cancelled out one, also this government laughs at the other.


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