The West has lost its freedom of speech

[Tink]

Good on Andrew Bolt, Miranda Devine and others that have the courage to speak out, or try to.

The Greens, the ABC, the left, have let us down with this PC.

The Brits have had enough...

Number One Priority for 2015: Make Political Correctness History

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-for-2015-make-political-correctness-history/

 

[Calliope]

’The entire country will rise up,’’vowed the French president Francois Hollande. Organisers estimated over two million people attended the march, far more than expected.

Across France, authorities estimated at least 3.7million people marced in an unprecedented show of support for the victims of the Islamist attacks.

Rise up against whom? He doesn't say...but you can bet your balls nothing will change. The march after all was only a show of support for the victims, not solidarity against the alien Islamists.How could it be when Egypt and Turkey, with questionable history of incarcerating journalists, sent politicians to march at a rally that was to honour the profession.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s-for-new-terror/story-e6frg6so-1227181707731

 

[Value Collector]

The Greens, the ABC, the left, have let us down with this PC.

Can you give some examples of political correctness which you don't agree with, and maybe an example of how its affected your life?

Also, you didn't answer my question on blasphemy earlier, Are you ok with anti blasphemy laws?

 

[Calliope]

Can you give some examples of political correctness which you don't agree with, and maybe an example of how its affected your life?

Also, you didn't answer my question on blasphemy earlier, Are you ok with anti blasphemy laws?

Tink you are not here to be interrogated. Perhaps VC could give us some examples of PC he agrees with, although I doubt that he even knows it exists, as it probably conforms with his own political views.

 

[Tink]

Thanks, Calliope

VC, when I give an opinion, I don't appreciate you bringing up the Catholic Church, or any Christian Church, to throw down my post.

That is MY opinion.
This is 2015, and I don't appreciate you taking me back to the 1800's.

As I have said, there are many journalists I agree with, and Miranda Devine is one.

We have been silenced with PC, and that is wrong.

 

[Tisme]

How about psychodelic truth serum implanted into all Halal food that when consumed convinces the eater to immediately go to the police and confess their sins ?

The obvious way to extract the information we want is to set up WTTN sites, even WTTP is cost is no option. The prototypes have been very successful in Cuba and ready for rollout. The Waterboarding to the Node "Gitmo" brand would be my first pick amongst manufacturers because: 1) It's American made 2) Americans are our bestys.

 

[Tisme]

Thanks, Calliope


We have been silenced with PC, and that is wrong.

My recollection is that we had a brief encounter with carte blanch opinions with our tongues and pens in the seventies and the pendulum was damped back by PC (thanks to the City of London City socialists), corresponding with the infancy of the internet discussion boards and it's juggernaut advance.

When I was a child, too much time was spent by the 15 yearolds and up earning a quid and buttoning their lips to keep the job, rather than voicing an opinion to deaf or easily offended ears.

I'm trying to think of equivalents to Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, et al in the sixties and before...anyone?

 

[SirRumpole]

My recollection is that we had a brief encounter with carte blanch opinions with our tongues and pens in the seventies and the pendulum was damped back by PC (thanks to the City of London City socialists), corresponding with the infancy of the internet discussion boards and it's juggernaut advance.

When I was a child, too much time was spent by the 15 yearolds and up earning a quid and buttoning their lips to keep the job, rather than voicing an opinion to deaf or easily offended ears.

I'm trying to think of equivalents to Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, et al in the sixties and before...anyone?

Sixties ? I was too young then. My first recollection of DJ's was Gary O'Callahan and his mate Sammy Sparrow.

Mind you, Sammy did have a bit to say about aircraft noise and chopping down his habitat to put up housing estates, but I don't thnk it was offensive to Alan Jones standards.

 

[Value Collector]

We have been silenced with PC, and that is wrong

How have you been silenced?

What is it that you feel you can't say due to political correctness?

You actually do have freedom of speech, But freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism if you use your free speech in a bigoted way.

 

[Calliope]

I'm trying to think of equivalents to Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, et al in the sixties and before...anyone?

I suppose you mean on the loony left. Try your mentor Noam Chomsky for starters... and Phillip Adams.

 

[Tisme]

Sixties ? I was too young then. My first recollection of DJ's was Gary O'Callahan and his mate Sammy Sparrow.

Mind you, Sammy did have a bit to say about aircraft noise and chopping down his habitat to put up housing estates, but I don't thnk it was offensive to Alan Jones standards.

The way I see it is that there is a notion that we are losing something we never really galvanised. Most of the world had censorship in place right up to the baby boomer protests and beyond. The US had McCarthyism, with the advent of TV movie makers tried to keep audiences by delving into sacrilegious themes and movies like "the Miracle" became a standout legal stoush in the USA testing freedom of expression against obscenity, the first world went into apoplexy when a Catholic became US President, but the masses were coached into polite discomfort via women's mags.

There is still a classification board here in Oz, that is by any other name a censorship panel governing the rating, but it is no way as strict as it was a generation ago. True we have the Abbott Govt looking to wind back community involvement by secreting data on issues like migration, sedition, etc and using the ABC as a whipping boy to show its resolve to bring back fairness that favours the LNP narrative, but in truth the bias has already been there in shows like "The Drum" with guest spots in 1011/2012 :

IPA (Conservative (C)) - 39 (42%)
Centre for Independent Studies (C) - 17 (18%)
Per Capita (P) - 15 (16%)
Centre for Policy Development (P) - 9 (10%)
Menzies Research Centre (C) - 5 (5%)
Grattan Institute (Independent (I)) - 3 (3%)
Australia Institute (Progressive (P)) - 2 (3%)
Lowy Institute (I) - 2 (3%)
McKell Institute (P) - 1 (1%)

Freedom of expression is a fantasy notion in many respects.

 

[Tink]

What freedom of speech, VC.

We allowed the ABC to broadcast two pedophile homosexuals that desperately wanted a baby, and we weren't allowed to speak.
They transported that child around the world to be abused.

I have plenty more to add which I will later.

 

[Value Collector]

What freedom of speech, VC.

We allowed the ABC to broadcast two pedophile homosexuals that desperately wanted a baby, and we weren't allowed to speak.
They transported that child around the world to be abused.

I have plenty more to add which I will later.

Who has said that you can't speak out against Paedophilia?

Paedophilia is a crime, Not only can you speak out against it, But offenders will be jailed.

If you want to some how use paedophilia as a spring board for your BS slippery slope arguments to discriminate against gay members of our society then prepare to cop some flak though. You have the right to be bigot, but you don't have the right to be immune from criticism.

You can start blogs, protest in the street, write letters, do radio shows etc, and no one will arrest you, How is that not free speech.

 

[FxTrader]

This is 2015, and I don't appreciate you taking me back to the 1800's.

That's a fair comment, let's examine the recent opinion of a Catholic Cardinal in 2015...

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/cardinal-raymond-burke-blames-8216radical-feminists8217-for-paedophile-priests-20150111-12lyng.html

The New Emangelism: Drawing Men to Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church, Cardinal Raymond Burke (formerly of St. Louis) opined that, "the radical feminism which has assaulted the Church and society since the 1960s has left men very marginalised." This radical feminism has resulted in men being confused about their role in life, which has led to all kinds of disastrous things like a decrease in the number of altar boys alongside an increase in the number of priests who inappropriately touch them.

From the Burqa to paedophilia, women must stop tempting and confusing men or they are responsible for men's responses. Such is the insanity of religious dogma and the fools entrusted to interpret it. Should the press be free to point this out, the major obsession that mainstream religions have with a woman's appearance and attitudes?

 

[SirRumpole]

You actually do have freedom of speech, But freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism if you use your free speech in a bigoted way.

One man's bigotry is another man's freedon of speech.

Have you seen any of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons ?

Do you think they are bigoted ?

 

[luutzu]

How about psychodelic truth serum implanted into all Halal food that when consumed convinces the eater to immediately go to the police and confess their sins ?

hahaha... you and basilio are too cruel. Laughing my az off reading the exchange.

Haven't laugh so hard since The Life of Brian's biggus dickus scene.

 

[Value Collector]

One man's bigotry is another man's freedon of speech.

Have you seen any of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons ?

Do you think they are bigoted ?

Yes, I have seen some of the cartoons, I don't read French so their meaning is mostly lost on me, they may or may not be bigoted, I am not sure. If you want to put up some examples with translation I will tell you what I think.

Freedom of speech ensures you have the right to express opinions even if they are bigoted, However freedom of speech doesn't make you immune from criticism, However we should all be immune from violent assault, the cartoonist drawings even if they were bigoted did not justify the attack.

 

[Calliope]

You can start blogs, protest in the street, write letters, do radio shows etc, and no one will arrest you, How is that not free speech.

PC has put an effective ban on caricaturing or satirising mohammed the prophet.The various news media's PC policy will not even allow a reprint of previous caricatures. PC in the west is working hand in glove with the radical islamists.

"And Freedom shall awhile repair
To dwell, a weeping hermit, there!"

Take a look at these in the Land of the Free.

The Missouri Fair has permanently banned a rodeo clown from performing just because he wore an Obama mask, and now all of the other rodeo clowns are being required to take “sensitivity training“…

But the state commission went further, saying it will require that before the Rodeo Cowboy Association can take part in any future state fair, “they must provide evidence to the director of the Missouri State Fair that they have proof that all officials and subcontractors of the MRCA have successfully participated in sensitivity training.”

Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words “citizen” and “brown bag” because they are potentially offensive.

A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a “thug” on Facebook.

“Climate change deniers” are definitely not wanted at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell was recently quoted as making the following statement: “I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior”.

The mayor of Washington D.C. recently asked singer Donnie McClurkin not to attend his own concert because of his views on homosexuality.

U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer is calling on athletes marching in the opening ceremonies at the Winter Olympics in Sochi next year to “embarrass” Russian President Vladimir Putin by protesting for gay rights.

Chaplains in the U.S. military are being forced to perform gay marriages, even if it goes against their personal religious beliefs. The few chaplains that have refused to follow orders know that it means the end of their careers.

The governor of California has signed a bill into law which will allow transgendered students to use whatever bathrooms and gym facilities that they would like…

Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys’ or girls’ sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.

The law amends the state’s education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are “consistent with his or her gender identity,” rather than the student’s actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls’ bathroom, even if he is anatomically male.#10 In San Francisco, authorities have installed small plastic “privacy screens” on library computers so that perverts can continue to exercise their “right” to watch pornography at the library without children being directly exposed to it.

A high school track team was disqualified earlier this year because one of the runners “made a gesture thanking God” once he had crossed the finish line.

A student at Sonoma State University was ordered to take off a cross that she was wearing because someone “could be offended“.

According to a new Army manual, U.S. soldiers will now be instructed to avoid “any criticism of pedophilia” and to avoid criticizing “anything related to Islam”. The following is from a Judicial Watch article…

The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of “taboo conversation topics” that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban,” “advocating women’s rights,” “any criticism of pedophilia,” “directing any criticism towards Afghans,” “mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.” The Obama administration has banned all U.S. government agencies from producing any training materials that link Islam with terrorism. In fact, the FBI has gone back and purged references to Islam and terrorism from hundreds of old documents.

According to the Equal Employment Opportunty Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a “disproportionate” impact on minorities

 

[basilio]

Callioppe do you actually believe the stuff you post ? And of course it is always interesting to see the full picture rather than a chopped version.

I have to say so much of it is just nonsense and lies. I know that because I often (tediously) follow it back to source and cross check it.

Have you ever considered some people on the internet might not tell the truth ? Indeed they might not even care... just as long as they can trash a person/idea/organisation they don't like.

 

[Julia]

That's a fair comment, let's examine the recent opinion of a Catholic Cardinal in 2015...
From the Burqa to paedophilia, women must stop tempting and confusing men or they are responsible for men's responses. Such is the insanity of religious dogma and the fools entrusted to interpret it. Should the press be free to point this out, the major obsession that mainstream religions have with a woman's appearance and attitudes?

Is that really a fair response, Fx? I usually agree absolutely with your philosophy but this is clearly a tongue in cheek article, essentially mocking that Catholic Cardinal, unless my powers of comprehension are very lacking.

Actually, I think there's some basis for criticism of what the militant feminist movement has created with its insistence on seeing misogyny where it doesn't really exist, by simply being rude in response to a bloke holding a door open for them etc. I don't know that that's marginalising men but it's probably causing a bit of confusion amongst blokes in terms of just how they're supposed to behave.

What freedom of speech, VC.

We allowed the ABC to broadcast two pedophile homosexuals that desperately wanted a baby, and we weren't allowed to speak.
They transported that child around the world to be abused.

I have plenty more to add which I will later.

Tink, there was nothing stopping anyone wishing to speak against that program. And to be fair to the ABC, they did later broadcast an equal length program essentially underlining how wrong their original interpretation of the men's desire to have a child was.

The second program was unsparing in its detail of the vile behaviour of the men.

I think it's too soon to know the overall outcomes of homosexuals raising children, but we probably shouldn't assume most who do so have abuse in mind.
From a purely practical point of view, though, I'm damned if the taxpayer should be supporting their IVF etc.