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This indeed is part of why they want the recognition and treaty. They don't need to enshrine the voice to get this, it's already been done in the south west of WA, just like they can legislate the voice to get faster progress with closing the gap.Mr smurf with the limited dealings that i have had with "1st people' when it came to settling a problem it was easy, though i was not a party to it, hand over a great wad of dollars and they were very happy.
And I don't see that scenario ever changing no mtter what the final vote is.
For me it has and always will be a definite vote of NO.
Why did the proponents of this change decline to confine the voice to matters that only affect indigenous people, or even primarily affect indigenous people?
Without such limits, this looks like an attempt to establish a shadow government that would be free to develop policies on everything. Those policies would be formally framed as advice but, according to prime minister Anthony Albanese, it would be a brave government that ignored its advice.
When will you educate yourself to learn what has been said in this regard instead of continuing to look like a fool?And how do you propose that a "Canberra voice" can represent this diverse range cultures ?
Perhaps you can explain how that works, given it's that very process that the Voice is attempting to replace?If you want input from local communities it would be more efficient for the Minister to simply go out and ask rather than get input from middlemen.
When will you educate yourself to learn what has been said in this regard instead of continuing to look like a fool?
Perhaps you can explain how that works, given it's that very process that the Voice is attempting to replace?
Oh sorry, you're a public servant. My bad.
Oh sorry, you're a public servant. My bad.
Just wondering which of them are better than Australia, New Zealand and Canada, it should be an interesting list.I'm not against Australia becoming a Republic, other countries from the Commonwealth have successfully transitioned.
Just wondering which of them are better than Australia, New Zealand and Canada, it should be an interesting list.
Quoting yes campaigners is "pushing fear deception and doubt"?
This is part of the problem with the yes campaign. It's your job to convince us that it's beneficial. But, you can't. You've got nothing.
Bro, there's posts on this thread that can be too long to sustain my attention, and you're saying to read "the longest Australian work of fiction ever written, and the longest single-volume novel to have been written in the English language" - at 1463 pages ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Fellow_My_Country ). I highly doubt wading through all that will cause many principled "no" voters to have some road to Damascus moment, throw up their hands, and start shouting from the rooftops that we must award some (genetic?!? ? ) special interest group powers (a permanent protected "voice" to the corridors of power and the media IS power) other citizens are not being given.
Out of context certainly and knowingly so confirms it.
It wouldn't surprise me if they postpone it and come back with a modified campaign.It is my belief that The Voice Referendum will be pulled.
Sooner rather than later.
It has been divisive enough mainly via the ABC Luvvies, Gurdianistas and the Sky and The Australian crowds.
Indigenous people on both sides have behaved with dignity and couth, as have their non-Indigenous neighbours and friends.
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Thinking hard but really can't think of one at the moment.Just wondering which of them are better than Australia, New Zealand and Canada, it should be an interesting list.
Run by the military, despots and rulers for life. way to go, I think not.Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria ... the list is endless....
It's a pretty low bar these days tooJust wondering which of them are better than Australia, New Zealand and Canada, it should be an interesting list.
Are you seriously saying there are no non-indigenous people who are disadvantaged and that no indigenous people are not disadvantaged?There are no data to support that view.
Those policies are already in place. It's under our social security system, combined with a raft of other policies attaching to the full range of health, housing, education, social and financial support initiatives.
The metrics of Closing the Gap are not a fabrication.
I think it's obvious that my use of "the child" refers to all children generically not just one actual, specific child.Your continuing use of motherhood examples, in this case using just one person, does not cut the mustard.
Or if I think ignoring minorities is undesirable.Except that is completely false unless you think data is meaningless.
I am saying there is no data that allows your point to be meaningful.Are you seriously saying there are no non-indigenous people who are disadvantaged and that no indigenous people are not disadvantaged?
Indeed, and the comparative difference has been quantified, and that's why Closing the Gap exists.They are however clearly not working, that's readily apparent for all to see.
That point has nothing to do with anything related to the Voice or the referendum proposal.That is unrelated to my statement that to the best of my knowledge there's no objective proof of racial inferiority being the cause.
C'mon @Smurf1976, the metrics are simply based on like for like comparison and it's entirely irrelevant to "western" measures of success.How to measure that the gap has or hasn't been closed is relatively straightforward I agree. If we accept "Western" measures of success as the ones to be used then it's relatively straightforward to compare life expectancy, income, marriage and divorce statistics, educational attainment, etc.
Your point fails to account for "all data" and context.I think it's obvious that my use of "the child" refers to all children generically not just one actual, specific child.
I don't think "whataboutism" is regarded by anyone as a valid argument.ATSI are an extreme but we see the effect elsewhere too. Australians in areas substantially different to the big two cities tend to have worse health and other outcomes no matter what their race. Hence the lowest life expectancy is in the NT and the second lowest is Tasmania.
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