The Voice

[wayneL]

Another indigenous voice on "The Voice", with a very sensible take. Hildebrand interviews Anthony Dillon.

Indigenous commentator explains how the Voice can be successful

An Indigenous commentator says the proposed voice must focus on Indigenous Australians who are most disadvantaged. Anthony Dillon joined Joe Hildebrand to talk about his in-depth article explaining how The Voice can bring about change for Indigenous Australians. Press PLAY below to hear the...

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[farmerge]

Another indigenous voice on "The Voice", with a very sensible take. Hildebrand interviews Anthony Dillon.

Indigenous commentator explains how the Voice can be successful

An Indigenous commentator says the proposed voice must focus on Indigenous Australians who are most disadvantaged. Anthony Dillon joined Joe Hildebrand to talk about his in-depth article explaining how The Voice can bring about change for Indigenous Australians. Press PLAY below to hear the...

www.2gb.com

Help I want to get on board this latest gravy train, how do i go about it. Relatively tanned will that be good enough to say I have 128th per cent. ?????

 

[wayneL]

Help I want to get on board this latest gravy train, how do i go about it. Relatively tanned will that be good enough to say I have 128th per cent. ?????

Dillon is pretty much against it, but has taken the position that if it does go ahead, let's make it workable rather than potentially a complete shxtshow.

Price and Dillon remain very sensible opposition to the whole idea and are the only two indigenous that I can see that it is permissible to be racist against (leftist logic, any criticism at all against blackfulla is racist, unless they disagree with us. In that case it is completely ok to be racist)

 

[IFocus]

Help I want to get on board this latest gravy train, how do i go about it. Relatively tanned will that be good enough to say I have 128th per cent. ?????

Just include significantly shorter life span, great risk of disease like diabetes, losing eye sight etc and before the effects of alcohol, tobaccos and drugs.

 

[IFocus]

Dillon is pretty much against it, but has taken the position that if it does go ahead, let's make it workable rather than potentially a complete shxtshow.

Price and Dillon remain very sensible opposition to the whole idea and are the only two indigenous that I can see that it is permissible to be racist against (leftist logic, any criticism at all against blackfulla is racist, unless they disagree with us. In that case it is completely ok to be racist)

Couldn't disagree more about Price being sensible her position is total political BS aligned with the Nats haven't heard Dillions take.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just include significantly shorter life span, great risk of disease like diabetes, losing eye sight etc and before the effects of alcohol, tobaccos and drugs.

Hmm, well alcohol , tobacco and drugs are 'lifestyle' choices which people can choose not to indulge in. There may be some genetic factors regarding health , but I think there is also some cultural resistance to "white man's medicine" which means it takes some indigenous people longer to seek medical help.

 

[wayneL]

Couldn't disagree more about Price being sensible her position is total political BS aligned with the Nats haven't heard Dillions take.

LMAO, of course you do, no surprises there.

 

[farmerge]

LMAO, of course you do, no surprises there.

Highly paid and make utterings to appease the peasants so they have that feel good, fuzzy feeling, me thinks

 

[IFocus]

Gents may I say that your comments are disingenuous, lack depth of discussion or argument, conservative , you know nothing needs to change, no progress required because its all woke (Price).
You are talking lovely old conversations that got us to here you know same stuff that got us to here with a gap between indigenous and your perceptions of grandeur.

Possibly you haven't read the research papers on the NT and Howard intervention benefits and failures, failures of nuance due to lack of a voice, if you have a heart then open it dispense with the crap that hasn't worked.

 

[mullokintyre]

Gents may I say that your comments are disingenuous, lack depth of discussion or argument, conservative , you know nothing needs to change, no progress required because its all woke (Price).
You are talking lovely old conversations that got us to here you know same stuff that got us to here with a gap between indigenous and your perceptions of grandeur.

Pot. Kettle . Non white.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

dispense with the crap that hasn't worked.

Maybe some things "haven't worked" because some people don't want them to work ?

For some, accepting that the white man's interventions have been beneficial is saying that indigenous people can't solve their own problems.

What were the indigenous people doing to solve child abuse in remote communities ?

 

[farmerge]

Maybe some things "haven't worked" because some people don't want them to work ?

For some, accepting that the white man's interventions have been beneficial is saying that indigenous people can't solve their own problems.

What were the indigenous people doing to solve child abuse in remote communities ?

Hmm booze, drugs, sniffing petrol, paint cans, sitting on collective backsides just to name a few, while the dollars are being poured in and wasted.

 

[mullokintyre]

Hmm booze, drugs, sniffing petrol, paint cans, sitting on collective backsides just to name a few, while the dollars are being poured in and wasted.

problem is, plenty of non aboriginal people do the same thing.
The issue is we tend to treat all these people as victims.
Victims are people who have unpleasant things happen to them because of the actions of others, not because of actions by themselves.
Those who get pancreatic cancer, cystic fibrosis, or MND are all victims.
People who smoke and get lung cancer, people who drink alchohol excessively and get cirrosis, or eat so muc food they die of obesity are not victims.
People who get aids from rape are victims, those who get aids from unprotected sex or sharing drug needles are not.
People who make poor life choices will often play the victim, and it seems that large chunks of society agree with them.
I remember my first trip to katherine about 30 years ago, and a local aboriginal elder said it was the white mans fault they drank beer.
"If you white fellas had not invented it, we would bot drink it" were his exact words.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

 

[IFocus]

A sensible look at the Voice to parliament and comments on Prices position showing how political and of no consequence they are, common sense you wont find in the Murdoch press.

By Marcia Langton is an Aboriginal writer, a descendant of the Yiman people of Queensland. She is professor of Australian Indigenous studies at the University of Melbourne.


"In one monologue, advocates for the Voice, myself included, set out a vision for a reconciled Australia in which First Peoples are constitutionally part of the fabric of the nation, able to speak to the lawmakers whose decisions have too often harmed us and have comprehensively failed to close the gap.

In the other, there are petty diatribes warning of the collapse of democracy should the Voice become reality. Worse, they say in their almost daily harangues, Australia will be divided by race and, because the Voice is a racist proposition, we who advocate for it are opposed to the very idea of Australia."

Fighting for a Voice

It is eight months since Prime Minister Anthony Albanese used his victory speech to promise his government would implement in full the Uluru Statement from the Heart. What has transpired since is less the dialogue he hoped for and more two separate monologues. In one monologue, advocates for the...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

 

[mullokintyre]

A sensible look at the Voice to parliament and comments on Prices position showing how political and of no consequence they are, common sense you wont find in the Murdoch press.

By Marcia Langton is an Aboriginal writer, a descendant of the Yiman people of Queensland. She is professor of Australian Indigenous studies at the University of Melbourne.


"In one monologue, advocates for the Voice, myself included, set out a vision for a reconciled Australia in which First Peoples are constitutionally part of the fabric of the nation, able to speak to the lawmakers whose decisions have too often harmed us and have comprehensively failed to close the gap.

In the other, there are petty diatribes warning of the collapse of democracy should the Voice become reality. Worse, they say in their almost daily harangues, Australia will be divided by race and, because the Voice is a racist proposition, we who advocate for it are opposed to the very idea of Australia."

Fighting for a Voice

It is eight months since Prime Minister Anthony Albanese used his victory speech to promise his government would implement in full the Uluru Statement from the Heart. What has transpired since is less the dialogue he hoped for and more two separate monologues. In one monologue, advocates for the...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

Yeah, the Murdoch Press is evil, the Saturday paper good.
I like to read the content rather than worry who the editors are.
Langton is no better or worse than Price.
At least Price lives in the NT with her people, and sees first hand the multitude of problems aborigines face, particularly women.
Langton has not lived with her people for long time, instead choosing the leafy suburbs of Melbourne.
The Voice will not close the Gap, improve education, improve health or housing.
It will be like Rudds' apology.
A virtue signalling feelgood exercise that achieves nothing.
Mick

 

[farmerge]

A sensible look at the Voice to parliament and comments on Prices position showing how political and of no consequence they are, common sense you wont find in the Murdoch press.

By Marcia Langton is an Aboriginal writer, a descendant of the Yiman people of Queensland. She is professor of Australian Indigenous studies at the University of Melbourne.


"In one monologue, advocates for the Voice, myself included, set out a vision for a reconciled Australia in which First Peoples are constitutionally part of the fabric of the nation, able to speak to the lawmakers whose decisions have too often harmed us and have comprehensively failed to close the gap.

In the other, there are petty diatribes warning of the collapse of democracy should the Voice become reality. Worse, they say in their almost daily harangues, Australia will be divided by race and, because the Voice is a racist proposition, we who advocate for it are opposed to the very idea of Australia."

Fighting for a Voice

It is eight months since Prime Minister Anthony Albanese used his victory speech to promise his government would implement in full the Uluru Statement from the Heart. What has transpired since is less the dialogue he hoped for and more two separate monologues. In one monologue, advocates for the...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

What has happened to one country, one people, not one country and two peoples. Oh I forgot, the tail wants to wag the dog!!!

 

[wayneL]

It will be like Rudds' apology.
A virtue signalling feelgood exercise that achieves nothing.
Mick

It actually *will do more than Rudd's apology. It will enrich the likes of Langdon who are currently booking carriages on that particular gravy train.

 

[farmerge]

How do we board this particular gravy wagon sit out in the sun and cook for a bit then claim some miniscule percentage over 1st peoples heritage, and then scream outrage.

 

[wayneL]

How do we board this particular gravy wagon sit out in the sun and cook for a bit then claim some miniscule percentage over 1st peoples heritage, and then scream outrage.

Nah, just identify as such. Biology is cancelled.