The Voice

[JohnDe]

Rubbish, what was the color of Stan Grants skin again?

I don't know. I look at the person, not their skin.

 

[wayneL]

Rubbish, what was the color of Stan Grants skin again?

It depends

 

[wayneL]

It seems, according to the real racist here, any mention of skin colour or inconsistencies therein, is racism.

Is the word blackfella racist?

Is the word whitefella racist?

Nothing is racist unless some aspersion is cast on the character of the subject by the mere fact of the colour of their skin.

The colour of a person's skin is a pretty much immutable characteristic, saving for exposure to the sun or pathology etcetera...

Or makeup.

Noting the use of makeup to change the colour of skin is not intrinsically racist whatsoever, unless there is some disparagement regarding that persons race.

I know the left get carried away when whitefellas do it (blackface etc and it is arguable whether the intent is disparagement or not), and it does expose a toxic double standard.

We all know what Stan is doing and it is noted with a bit of a nod and a wink; that is not racism bro.

Casting aspersions upon a black woman with regards to her attitude to her own race, without a shred of evidence or justification, *is.

 

[IFocus]

Casting aspersions upon a black woman with regards to her attitude to her own race, without a shred of evidence or justification, *is.

Ignorance is bliss and your dog whistle duly noted.

Re voting intensions I would hope all vote with their conscience and not their prejudice which seem prevalent.

 

[wayneL]

Ignorance is bliss and your dog whistle duly noted.

Re voting intensions I would hope all vote with their conscience and not their prejudice which seem prevalent.

Please describe this "dog whistle".

Facts please, rather than toxic buzzwords.

 

[IFocus]

Fin review which I think is too harsh

Fin. Review's Joe Aston today:

"Well, aren’t things just looking super-promising for the federal opposition?
The Liberal brand presently emanates a passé stench in every major Australian city and Peter Dutton’s answer is to appoint Darwin tub-thumper Jacinta Price to the shadow cabinet. What a way to win back the centre.
There’s the political wilderness, then there’s reserving a critical frontbench position for someone better suited to a starring role in I’m A Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here.
Julian Leeser resigned as shadow attorney-general and shadow minister for Indigenous Australians last week. He is a former associate to a High Court justice and once a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy school. There is no question he was equipped to consider the finer matters of constitutional reform.
Before her election to the Alice Springs Town Council, Price was a former rapper, singer and children’s television identity....
Without any intellectual heft to speak of, it is much easier to attract attention on the outer margins than it is to be in the mainstream proposing solutions. It’s also an easy segue from being an amateur rapper in the Northern Territory...
Unfortunately, conservative politics continues to attract these sorts of characters, people uninterested in solving problems, people more concerned with showmanship for the tedious, wacko fringes of Sky News, people with a flair for drawing the spotlight to themselves but with nothing beneath their punchlines.
Dutton now finds himself in an invidious position – one of several! – whereby the talent pool for his first XVIII is dominated by such people."
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jacinta-price-takes-the-barnaby-joyce-ro...

 

[wayneL]

Fin review which I think is too harsh

Fin. Review's Joe Aston today:

"Well, aren’t things just looking super-promising for the federal opposition?
The Liberal brand presently emanates a passé stench in every major Australian city and Peter Dutton’s answer is to appoint Darwin tub-thumper Jacinta Price to the shadow cabinet. What a way to win back the centre.
There’s the political wilderness, then there’s reserving a critical frontbench position for someone better suited to a starring role in I’m A Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here.
Julian Leeser resigned as shadow attorney-general and shadow minister for Indigenous Australians last week. He is a former associate to a High Court justice and once a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy school. There is no question he was equipped to consider the finer matters of constitutional reform.
Before her election to the Alice Springs Town Council, Price was a former rapper, singer and children’s television identity....
Without any intellectual heft to speak of, it is much easier to attract attention on the outer margins than it is to be in the mainstream proposing solutions. It’s also an easy segue from being an amateur rapper in the Northern Territory...
Unfortunately, conservative politics continues to attract these sorts of characters, people uninterested in solving problems, people more concerned with showmanship for the tedious, wacko fringes of Sky News, people with a flair for drawing the spotlight to themselves but with nothing beneath their punchlines.
Dutton now finds himself in an invidious position – one of several! – whereby the talent pool for his first XVIII is dominated by such people."
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jacinta-price-takes-the-barnaby-joyce-ro...

Fin review which I think is too harsh

Fin. Review's Joe Aston today:

"Well, aren’t things just looking super-promising for the federal opposition?
The Liberal brand presently emanates a passé stench in every major Australian city and Peter Dutton’s answer is to appoint Darwin tub-thumper Jacinta Price to the shadow cabinet. What a way to win back the centre.
There’s the political wilderness, then there’s reserving a critical frontbench position for someone better suited to a starring role in I’m A Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here.
Julian Leeser resigned as shadow attorney-general and shadow minister for Indigenous Australians last week. He is a former associate to a High Court justice and once a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy school. There is no question he was equipped to consider the finer matters of constitutional reform.
Before her election to the Alice Springs Town Council, Price was a former rapper, singer and children’s television identity....
Without any intellectual heft to speak of, it is much easier to attract attention on the outer margins than it is to be in the mainstream proposing solutions. It’s also an easy segue from being an amateur rapper in the Northern Territory...
Unfortunately, conservative politics continues to attract these sorts of characters, people uninterested in solving problems, people more concerned with showmanship for the tedious, wacko fringes of Sky News, people with a flair for drawing the spotlight to themselves but with nothing beneath their punchlines.
Dutton now finds himself in an invidious position – one of several! – whereby the talent pool for his first XVIII is dominated by such people."
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jacinta-price-takes-the-barnaby-joyce-ro...

Amusing that you are incapable od discerning a pure hit piece.

So true to form.

 

[wayneL]

Please describe this "dog whistle".

Facts please, rather than toxic buzzwords.

Waiting.....

 

[wayneL]

Waiting.....

The "dog whistle" sleight is not racist on the face of it, but it does imply white supremacism.

This is most often without any justification whatsover (good example is @IFocus post above). In other words this racist tosspot(as per evidence) has accused me and others of racism without any justification whatsoever.

What a totally toxic individual.

 

[IFocus]

Amusing that you are incapable od discerning a pure hit piece.

So true to form.

Fin review is one of the most conservative publications in Australia so why would they do a hit piece?

 

[IFocus]

The "dog whistle" sleight is not racist on the face of it, but it does imply white supremacism.

This is most often without any justification whatsover (good example is @IFocus post above). In other words this racist tosspot(as per evidence) has accused me and others of racism without any justification whatsoever.

What a totally toxic individual.

Oh god man up stop with the victim stuff snow flake, you have been caught out who cares I don't.

 

[rederob]

I presume that if the questions were simple that we the public would have seen the answers by now from the Solicitor-General.

Not his job, so that's a no.

These two people make me wonder about others on the yes campaign.

You are entitled to rebut any claims made, but you mostly copypaste and think that's enough.
I usually explain the dishonesty I hear or read from the no camp. You never offer a counter.
Then there are the likes of you and @SirRumpole that have a view that a legal opinion from a non-constitutional lawyer is imperative to forming your voting intention. What is odd with that idea is that it has nothing to do with how the Voice will operate to overturn ATSI disadvantage.

The parliamentary committee should require that the Solicitor-General provide advice on whether the voice could delay decisions of the public service. The committee should insist that the government publish the Solicitor-General’s advice. His advice should address questions such as:

• Would the proposed amendment provide the voice with a constitutional entitlement to receive notice that a public servant was considering making an administrative decision relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples?
• Would the voice then have a constitutional entitlement to receive sufficient information from the public servant about the proposed decision so as to make an informed representation?
• What would constitute due consideration of any representation received?
• Would the public service have a constitutional duty to inform the voice that they were about to consider some policy options for submission to their minister when those options could relate to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples? And how early in the development of policy options would the constitutional duty to inform come into play?
• To what extent, if any, could any constitutional duty on the public service be modified or negated by parliament enacting a law under the proposed amendment which is specified to be “subject to this Constitution”?
• Which Commonwealth agencies would be required to receive representations from the voice?
• What limits might parliament set on representations from the voice to “independent statutory offices and agencies – such as the Reserve Bank, as well as a wide array of other agencies including, to name a few, Centrelink, the Great Barrier Marine Park Authority and the Ombudsman” (the Davis/Appleby list)?

If The Australian has the above concerns they have until 21 April to lodge then with the Committee.
However, most were put to bed by Mark Dreyfus when he introduced the referendum legislation. He said the constitutional change "would not oblige the parliament or the executive government to consult the Voice prior to enacting, amending or repealing any law, making a decision, or taking any other action".
Those questions above relating to Constitutional duties of the public service have no foundation as they would actually require changes to the Constitution to give effect.

Again, note not a single question from The Australian gets to the heart of the reason for the Voice. The questions are regular attempts at scaremongering.

On the topic of Senator Price, I saw her being interviewed today and claim the Voice will divide the nation on the basis of race. Given Duttons not trod that path, I suspect he might try to follow. The problem with this is only an ignorant person would claim the Voice promotes racial division, given it seeks the very opposite through recognition. Senator Price should be aware that the existential problem is how ATSI disadvantage separates most from non-ATSI Australians.

 

[rederob]

This is the stuff you cannot make up:

The Murdoch's honesty is obviously beyond reproach:

 

[wayneL]

Oh god man up stop with the victim stuff snow flake, you have been caught out who cares I don't.

Okay, so we are going to segue, because you can't show where the dog whistle is, or where or who it's whistling. But now I'm claiming victim status and purportedly melting down?

Where, bro?

I'm interested where this litany of foolishness goes next

 

[DaveTrade]

However, most were put to bed by Mark Dreyfus when he introduced the referendum legislation. He said the constitutional change "would not oblige the parliament or the executive government to consult the Voice prior to enacting, amending or repealing any law, making a decision, or taking any other action".

This is a good argument as long as you have got the quote right. Thanks for this point.

 

[rederob]

This is a good argument as long as you have got the quote right. Thanks for this point.

You could check Hansard, but I got it here:

 

[sptrawler]

You could check Hansard, but I got it here:
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It probably does boil back to the fundamental issue, of whether you want two groups of Australians, or a one Australia.
Knowing some people, if it eventuates that there are two definitive Australians, I would guess there will be a huge surge in inter Australian relationships.
Which may actually work well.

 

[IFocus]

Okay, so we are going to segue, because you can't show where the dog whistle is, or where or who it's whistling. But now I'm claiming victim status and purportedly melting down?

Where, bro?

I'm interested where this litany of foolishness goes next

I am going north soon will be in remote communities in about one month will put your gripes to the different mobs and see what they think, recon I already know the answers and they wont be as kind as myself.

 

[wayneL]

I am going north soon will be in remote communities in about one month will put your gripes to the different mobs and see what they think, recon I already know the answers and they wont be as kind as myself.

Pathetic deflection. How about you answer?

Where is the dog whistle?
Where is my claim of victim status?
...and what BS will you misrepresent to our indigenous friends?

 

[DaveTrade]

You could check Hansard, but I got it here:
View attachment 155976