The Voice

[moXJO]

New Zealand government is starting to pull together their divided race-based system, making equality the answer.

Mr Seymour’s comments come amid ongoing debate in Australia about a potential Indigenous treaty, with former Greens senator Lidia Thorpe last week calling for a treaty during her protest in front of King Charles. The Uluru Statement from the Heart called for the Indigenous voice to be followed by a treaty, and many Indigenous leaders still want the government to pursue the next stage despite last year’s defeat of the voice referendum.​

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Mr Seymour said Australia’s rejection of the voice showed Australians intuitively understood the risks of ascribing rights based on race.​

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“As soon as you say people could have different political rights based on their ancestry, then you go to a very bad place. New Zealand’s been on that path for 50 years,” Mr Seymour said.​

Most Maori don't want to be ruled over by inept governments.

Our tribe originally ran a profitable trade route through one of the bays that was eventually taken after some famous battles and very underhanded tactics from the British. Now we are using the law to take back land from the crown based on their own contracts.

Majority don't want "whites" off their land or anything like that. Ditto for taxpayers money.
But the way government in all Western countries are going, we don't want to be ruled by snakes.

The race based system was stupid. There are large groups of political activists that support it for the grift, many just want the handouts.

 

[IFocus]

There's a fundamental difference between Aboriginal culture and the rest of society here.

Aboriginal culture = what happened in 1788 is still very relevant. They stole our land!

Western culture = 1988 is ancient history. Too long ago to worry about anything other than the most notable music and the odd random movie. Almost everything that happened just one generation ago is irrelevant today and most of it's long forgotten.

In Western society, wealth rarely survives more than two generations beyond its creator, so the idea that you'd inherit land that was in the family 236 years ago just isn't credible. Someone would've blown the family fortune by now almost always.

Therein lies part of the divide. From my Western cultural perspective, it's just not possible that a ~20 year old Aboriginal person had their land stolen. Simply because 20 year olds generally don't own land anyway, and if they want some then they'll have to buy it the same as anyone else (admittedly rather difficult for everyone these days, but that's a broader issue).

In saying that I'm not saying the Western approach is necessarily the right one, only that it's the source of an irreconcilable difference.

The house I lived in as a young child no longer exists, it was knocked down to make way for a commercial development.

The high school I went to also no longer exists, that too was demolished.

First proper job I had, guess what? Yep, they've since knocked down both the office building I was interviewed in and the workshop I worked in. All gone.

But in Western culture that's not particularly relevant. Because my parents were paid for the land that was sold to make way for the commercial development. Because I received an education at the school and wouldn't have ever gone back there anyway. Because the employer paid me to work there and gave me skills as well. And so on.

So there's a fundamental difference it seems between Aboriginal and Western culture with connection to land and physical places, the significance of time, and the notion of ownership.

Aboriginal = strong connection to land, very long history, etc.

Western = move frequently, just about everything's for sale at a price, only exceptional events or works retain relevance more than 20 years after they occurred, a general expectation that nothing lasts forever and most things don't last long at all.

There's a lot of fundamentally hard to reconcile differences there.

I understand your points however...

One of the more reverend days in the calendar year at least for me is the remembrance of Gallipoli and WWi.
I think that those events will be seared into Australian culture for generations to come at least I would hope so.

Massacres of Aboriginal's continued well up to the 1920's long after WWi finished, recon that's seared into Aboriginals minds as well.

What's the answer no idea but it's sure hell not what we are doing now or in the past and it will never be if there is no buy in and or ownership from Aboriginal's for that they have to speak for themselves elites like Price and Mundine are not those Voices.

I know there is absolutely no sympathy for the plight of Aboriginals here in Australia so nothing is going to change most of that comes from deeply endemic racism (I can hear the howles of indignation).

People can debate whether racism killed the Voice as it was subtle but I see it regularly on various groups on Insta and Facebook.

Outside of surfing one of the few things I follow is the Bradshaw Foundation which looks at Rock Art around the world. As a result I get bombed by the Al gos throwing up various groups putting up rock art.

Because of it uniqueness the Bradshaw rock paintings or Gwion Gwion art gets thrown up quite a bit and the straight out racist pile on by Australians is beyond extortionary if I was of Aboriginal descent I would be gutted I have stopped reading the comments as its that bad.
Yet any other rock art from around the world is met with wonder.

Gwion Gwion is renowned being the earliest rock art world wide that is a representation of human figures (recent finds in Indonesia may predate Gwion Gwion).

 

[TimeISmoney]

Luckily they didn't get an independent board in Canberra because they would charge everyone whenever they went to the toilet.

 

[JohnDe]

There's a feeling of change in the air.

Talk to anyone outside the media bubble and they’ll tell you they saw Donald Trump’s comeback a mile off.​

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These same people – the clear-eyed Australians – clearly predicted the defeat of the Indigenous voice referendum, too.​

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No way were Australians going to vote to change the Constitution, to elevate one group’s concerns over another.​

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Nobody cares what anyone else does in the bedroom, with whom, or which bits; they haven’t cared forever.​

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They don’t care what colour you are, or how much grievance you feel about an ancient argument that has nothing to do with anyone who lives here.​

Which brings me to the only thing we don’t yet know about this week’s result in the US: what does it mean for our Prime Minister?

It means that Anthony Albanese must urgently get out of the world he’s lived in all his adult life – the upgrades from the Alan Joyce bubble – and find a way to reach these people. Otherwise, he’s in deep, deep trouble.

Why? Because Australians, like Americans, are very much into upward mobility, for themselves and for their families. They want reward for effort, and they want the same for their kids.

The cost of living is, as we speak, killing them. They feel it every time they go to Coles for a bunch of bananas, and a silver packet of dishwashing detergent, and get charged $89.

They feel it every time the bank sticks its hand out for the mortgage payment. Interest rate rises have doubled since Covid, and how can that be anything other than intensely painful?

The Prime Minister may well be thinking: “But that’s nothing to do with me! The Reserve Bank sets interest rates.”

True, but the idea that Albanese is partly to blame – because his government is fuelling inflation by spending too much money – has firmly taken hold.

Do you know what else has taken hold?

“My kids are never going to be able to buy a house.”

You hear that everywhere these days.

Bubble-types wax lyrical about sophisticated European-style cities with long-term rental security but Australia is not a nation of renters.

We don’t think it’s too much to ask to have a home of one’s own, with a rabbit hutch, an elderly neighbour, and maybe even a tree.

We care about that far more than we care what’s in your pants, by which I mean: the woke thing is over.

Nobody cares what anyone else does in the bedroom, with whom, or which bits; they haven’t cared forever.

They don’t care what colour you are, or how much grievance you feel about an ancient argument that has nothing to do with anyone who lives here.

Woke politics was never particularly popular, here or in the US, but because most people are basically decent, they were prepared (for a time) to step gently around the issues. No more.

Trump picked up millions of votes from women, Hispanics, and black people. They’re the focus of all the identity love, and even they’ve had enough. What were Americans concerned about? Recent polls suggested that two-thirds of Americans thought the country was on the “wrong track” under Biden.

What does the US election result mean for our Prime Minister? Picture: NewsWire / Martin Ollman

We don’t have precisely the same measure, but Albanese’s “approval rating” sits at 54 per cent dissatisfied (that’s according to Newspoll).

Here’s some worse news, for Labor: the Liberals lead 38–26 on economic management.

To put all this another way: voters aren’t happy, and they don’t think the Albanese government is helping.

How will this translate, on election day? Voters will smash Albanese in the suburbs, particularly in Queensland.

Peter Dutton has quite a few of those seats already, and he’s likely to extend his lead in them.

He needs to do more than that, obviously. On one hand, Labor will have a one-seat majority once the electoral redistribution is applied; and Dutton has to win something like 19 to get over the line.

Expect him to go Trump-like, or even Trump-lite.

Meaning: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living. They’re going to say it until your ears bleed. Because conservative parties – Trump, and perhaps Dutton – are now the parties of the working class. If Dutton can do a Trump, and extend his appeal to the lower-middle classes (that’s anyone who winces at the checkout, as well as anyone who is over being told what an awful person they are for wanting to keep a little more of what they earn for themselves), he’s home.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/result-shock-not-if-your-bills-are-skyhigh/news-story/a4e7d881701695b8dbf5530f32873d8f

 

[farmerge]

There's a feeling of change in the air.

Talk to anyone outside the media bubble and they’ll tell you they saw Donald Trump’s comeback a mile off.​

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These same people – the clear-eyed Australians – clearly predicted the defeat of the Indigenous voice referendum, too.​

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No way were Australians going to vote to change the Constitution, to elevate one group’s concerns over another.​

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Nobody cares what anyone else does in the bedroom, with whom, or which bits; they haven’t cared forever.​

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They don’t care what colour you are, or how much grievance you feel about an ancient argument that has nothing to do with anyone who lives here.​

@JohnDe Well put Sir, right on the money, cash that is !!!!!

 

[wayneL]

@JohnDe Well put Sir, right on the money, cash that is !!!!!

I started to feel the change, the pushback starting about four years ago. I think the woke lunatics felt it too because they certainly stepped up their histrionics.

I think Australians have tried to be tolerant and kind, after all, these people do have a mental illness; but I think people are quietly starting to say:

"Yeah nah, @#$& that."

I still think we are a tolerant people and we'll still be relatively kind, but we're sick of being controlled by a very small cohort of psychos.

 

[IFocus]

Yep we need more criminals and grifters to tell us how we should worship them all the while they shear the sheeple.

 

[farmerge]

Yep we need more criminals and grifters to tell us how we should worship them all the while they shear the sheeple.

I thought there was already a surplus of them in Parliament now.

 

[wayneL]

Getting a bit off topic with regards to the voice but have great concern is how the government has very quietly slipped through their misinformation disinformation legislation, excluding themselves from liability of course.

You can probably expect people being jailed for mean tweets here like as is happening in the UK now.

One particular league egregious example over there is a woman has been jailed for three years over the Taylor Swift dance class stabbings, for tweeting (with due equivocation) what turned out to be the absolute truth.

 

[wayneL]

Yep we need more criminals and grifters to tell us how we should worship them all the while they shear the sheeple.

Whoosh.

 

[JohnDe]

Yep we need more criminals and grifters to tell us how we should worship them all the while they shear the sheeple.

What's your definition of "criminals and grifters" that "shear the sheeple"?

have you ever called former Qantas CEO Alan Joyce personally to seek an upgrade for your flights? It would take most of us around two seconds to reply. But for Anthony Albanese, it is a most complex question.​

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Actually, I would go further and say in Albanese’s case it is one of the most complicated questions he has ever faced. In terms of complexity it is up there with “Have you ever won an Olympic gold medal” or “Did you ever go on a date with Christie Brinkley” or “Have you ever done a swan dive from the Empire State Building”.​

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But as Albanese would tell you, he is not afraid of the big questions. He just prefers the media ask him sensible ones related to his line of work as he sees it. You know, something like “What is Toto’s favourite snack” or “How did it feel when you discovered your chip packet had more air than crisps”.​

 

[SirRumpole]

There's a feeling of change in the air.

Talk to anyone outside the media bubble and they’ll tell you they saw Donald Trump’s comeback a mile off.​

​

These same people – the clear-eyed Australians – clearly predicted the defeat of the Indigenous voice referendum, too.​

​

No way were Australians going to vote to change the Constitution, to elevate one group’s concerns over another.​

​

Nobody cares what anyone else does in the bedroom, with whom, or which bits; they haven’t cared forever.​

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They don’t care what colour you are, or how much grievance you feel about an ancient argument that has nothing to do with anyone who lives here.​

There is a lot in that.

Labor has to get firmly into the middle class and make them their friends.

I think they have made a start by reducing HECS debt, the educated young of today are tomorrow's middle class.

But they have to leave the identity politics aside, which Harris didn't do because she didn't have much else going for her.

If the Libs want to campaign on cost of living, Labor has a good weapon in pointing out that the LNP have opposed everything that Labor did to soften the impact of inflation.

 

[IFocus]

What's your definition of "criminals and grifters" that "shear the sheeple"?

have you ever called former Qantas CEO Alan Joyce personally to seek an upgrade for your flights? It would take most of us around two seconds to reply. But for Anthony Albanese, it is a most complex question.​

​

Actually, I would go further and say in Albanese’s case it is one of the most complicated questions he has ever faced. In terms of complexity it is up there with “Have you ever won an Olympic gold medal” or “Did you ever go on a date with Christie Brinkley” or “Have you ever done a swan dive from the Empire State Building”.​

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But as Albanese would tell you, he is not afraid of the big questions. He just prefers the media ask him sensible ones related to his line of work as he sees it. You know, something like “What is Toto’s favourite snack” or “How did it feel when you discovered your chip packet had more air than crisps”.​

You mean like this

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People​

In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime.

This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to return to the White House.

The stunning run to reclaim the presidency comes after the likes of Elon Musk, who bought one of the only forms of independent media decided to throw his full weight behind Trump and completely **** the rithm on his platform – purely to benefit the country.

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People — The Betoota Advocate

WENDELL HUSSEY | Cadet | CONTACT In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime. This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to...

www.betootaadvocate.com

 

[JohnDe]

You mean like this

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People​

In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime.

This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to return to the White House.

The stunning run to reclaim the presidency comes after the likes of Elon Musk, who bought one of the only forms of independent media decided to throw his full weight behind Trump and completely **** the rithm on his platform – purely to benefit the country.

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People — The Betoota Advocate

WENDELL HUSSEY | Cadet | CONTACT In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime. This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to...

www.betootaadvocate.com

No. I don't understand their sarcasm. Must be something to do with the inner Sydney left elitism vocabulary.

The Betoota Advocate is an Australian satirical news website and digital media company that publishes articles on international, national, and local news. The site puts a comedic spin on current news topics and broader social observations. The site is based in inner Sydney, but takes its name from the deserted regional town of Betoota, Queensland, and purports to be "Australia's oldest newspaper"​

 

[sptrawler]

You mean like this

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People​

In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime.

This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to return to the White House.

The stunning run to reclaim the presidency comes after the likes of Elon Musk, who bought one of the only forms of independent media decided to throw his full weight behind Trump and completely **** the rithm on his platform – purely to benefit the country.

Gaggle Of Billionaires Get Billionaire Elected In Selfless Push To Help Plight Of Ordinary People — The Betoota Advocate

WENDELL HUSSEY | Cadet | CONTACT In some heartwarming news from the United States of America, the countries leading billionaires have succeeded in rescuing the nation’s citizens from a totalitarian regime. This comes after the man known as the Selfless Billionaire, Donald Trump was elected to...

www.betootaadvocate.com

Yet the media was full of rich A listers supporting Kamila and saying Trump supporters were trash.
Just shows how quick the narrative can change.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yet the media was full of rich A listers supporting Kamila and saying Trump supporters were trash.
Just shows how quick the narrative can change.

Show biz vs big biz.

 

[sptrawler]

Show biz vs big biz.

Show biz, is big biz and big bucks.
Trumps supporters apparently are a bunch of rednecks. Lol

 

[SirRumpole]

Show biz, is big biz and big bucks.
Trumps supporters apparently are a bunch of rednecks. Lol

Deplorable comment.

 

[farmerge]

Deplorable comment.

Most unkind for the millions who voted for and swoon at his feet believing he is the Mesiah

 

[IFocus]

Yet the media was full of rich A listers supporting Kamila and saying Trump supporters were trash.
Just shows how quick the narrative can change.

The serious big money was always behind Trump.

Trump will reward well... that's the USA.