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The Voice

This scenario willnever change. The wealthy elites won't be penny pinching at the supermarkets or worrying about the cost of electricity.
Peering down from their ivory towers overlooking the peasants going tut-tut-tut.
 
I wonder if the failure of the Voice to get up embolden this in NZ

The new world of conservatives unwinding past agreements that they made or agreed to.

What is it that they actually stand for?

New Zealand is unwinding 'race-based policies'. Māori say it's taking away their rights​



"With stunning speed, New Zealand's right-wing coalition government has repealed, removed or reversed around a dozen of what it calls "race-based policies" that enshrine the special status of Māori people in national life.

Since coming to power last November, it's scrapped a law giving Māori a say on environmental questions and is set to repeal another designed to help Māori children in state care stay connected to their culture and family.

Māori language in the public service has been wound back and the Māori Health Authority has been abolished.

Now it's turning its attention to the next fight – reinterpreting the nation's founding document, the Treaty of Waitangi, in what could potentially erase decades of hard-won Māori rights."

 

Maybe they want to have equality. All people are equal and have equal rights, all citizens have the same rights. One country, one people.






 
Well it isn't as though this wasn't predictable, I remember saying early in the thread, that telling Australians that they are tenants in Australia would end badly, as tenants don't defend property they are renting.

Well the results are starting to be felt, disenfranchised youth.

 
as tenants don't defend property they are renting.
got any suggestions as giving those renters ownership??? ...... so as they might have a 'stake'.

for Fk'sSk'??? the IPA ... the Instititue of Paid Advocacy.... Hancocks/Rienharts, tool/plaything. ...
Always of interest as to who the supercilious bint holds sway over: you just put on the slippers trawler and let the others do the thinking for you. ... just to give you the 'heads up old boy ' they already are.

The following is an abstract from a much bigger piece.... but for those with an ear to hear? they'll get it.
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But the effects of the insurrection lingered.
“After Bacon’s Rebellion, Virginia governors were really reluctant to go against this virulent, anti-Native sentiment among White Virginians,” Rice said. “What they were asking for was really just a broad, aggressive anti-Native policy wiping Native people off the face of whatever patch of Earth Virginia planters wanted.”[/COLOR][/COLOR]
 

SP there are a few problems with that IPA rubbish.

1st off none in the IPA would be at the front line fighting for Australia that's always reserved for the young working class or lower class = cannon fodder.

2nd the IPA are a massive part of the problem that's locked young Australians out of property markets.

3rd the youth of today clearly don't follow or accept the propaganda of the likes of the IPA.

IPA = dogs.... apology to dogs.
 
Only going off an article, same as most others on the forum

As to the veracity of it time will tell, currently they are struggling to get young people to join the armed forces, so no doubt many surveys will be carried out to acertain the cause.

Public sentiment usually comes through in the end, despite all the white noise, reality generally wins the day.
 

As a student, in both Primary and High School, I was taught to use multiple sources. In High School one of our classes was Multimedia Studies, it gave us a good foundation on listening to both sides of a story. From that I continue to this day to read, listen and watch multiple sources of information.

Including ABC radio every day, a little ABC/SBS TV but not as much as I once did for a couple of reason 1) I don't watch much TV anymore, 2) ABC TV mostly annoys me, but so does most TV. I read the Australian and AFR papers, but also ABC articles online. And I read other sources that people like yourself kindly add.

Which brings me to today's headline for the Voice.





 

Denzel's words ring true, he talks about the USA but it all relates to people in many countries, including Australia.

 
An old saying came to mind when I read this article -

 
When asked to nominate any of eight reasons that best explained their decision to vote No, 70 per cent of Australians surveyed said the voice would divide Australia. Sixty-six per cent said there was not enough detail. Sixty per cent of Australians surveyed said the voice would make Australians unequal.
While the poll shows that 60 per cent of Australians still support Indigenous recognition in the Constitution, entrenching inequality in the Constitution was a bridge too far.

 
"Equality"

Is that why we have a "gap report".

Or

Gap report = Inequality?
 
"Equality"

Is that why we have a "gap report".

Or

Gap report = Inequality?

Indigenous Australians in urban areas and regional centres are hard to distinguish from the rest of the population in those places for levels of wealth, health, education and life outcomes
The human crisis that produces and reproduces the Gap is much more clearly locatable. It is in the remote outstations of homeland settlements, and around some towns in isolated parts of the Australian interior. It is where there is no economic life outside the government provision of welfare and social services, and no jobs other than those government creates. These places, where basic social order and safety have largely vanished, have been described by Noel Pearson as worse than Third World countries.
There is a solid argument advanced by Tim Rowse, an emeritus professor at Western Sydney University, that protection helped stabilise and rebuild the Indigenous population. But it undeniably treated Aborigines as inherently different, second-class citizens, to be kept apart from the ordinary population.
A society that “had masterfully sustained itself by hard work and self-motivation” fell apart, chiefly “as a result of government assistance given under policies of Aboriginal self-management”.
Indigenous policy has been our greatest failure. Ultimately, it is not just a failure of policies but of ideas. In a society where all Australians depend on each other – economically, socially, politically – the notion that any group can be “self-determining” is a fantasy. Fifty years after the Whitlam government raised that fantasy into a religion, it’s time reality was given a stronger say.

Alex McDermott is an independent historian.
 
the followng is a link to two long form interveiws with veteran Australian Journalist Jeff McMullen, 4corners 60 mins +++.
as of today 11/10/2024 they are at the top of the playlist at the 'fouth estate link.
The Interveiws are worthy of a listen even with the elements of Australias Indiginious Question left to one side... but as McMullen knows, as many of us do, they cannot be.

 
“The Yes proponents who still want to deny the outcome of the referendum, most of them have six-figure salaries, they’re academics, they’re sitting in organisations, their children are going to school,” she said.
“All we want is for marginalised Indigenous Australians to have the same opportunities that they have had.
“Their time is over. If they want to continue to look toward the past, then stay there. But we want to move forward and progress forward for the benefit of marginalised Indigenous Australians whose first language is not English, who are forgotten in remote communities, and who the Albanese Government continues to ignore.”



Mr Craven said it was incredibly important to draw a distinction between disinformation – something that is fundamentally and knowingly untrue – and misinformation, which is something that happens to be wrong, but the person saying it believes it to be true.
He said while there were some “big examples” of disinformation on the No side, the Yes side also pushed some untruths.
“For example, the idea that the having the words executive in were no problem, and that the executive would never be shanghaied into major decisions by the voice, because the drafting was perfect,” he said.
“I think that verged on disinformation. You can tell that because at different times, different people on the Yes case, notably including Megan (Davis) were saying totally contradictory things.
“When they wanted the voice to be powerful, they could say it would do lots of things. But when they wanted to reassure people that it wouldn’t be too powerful, they would say it was going to be very, very weak.”


 
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