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The Voice

What totally kills you argument is 3rd world conditions and the absolute dysfunction that exists within Aboriginal communities.

Reality is a real bitch.
Why are there 3rd world conditions in these communities. As i understand there is truckloads of taxpayers dollars supposedly being poured into the Aboriginal industry. Where's it all going.
Or are the percentage Aboriginals collecting the cream and cake and only leaving crumbs behind???
 
What totally kills you argument is 3rd world conditions and the absolute dysfunction that exists within Aboriginal communities.

Reality is a real bitch.

Yes, the reality that multiple organisations owned and run by the aboriginal leaders are hoarding money and not providing better services to their communities.

At 30 June 2022, the net assets of the Aboriginals Benefit Account (ABA) were $1.419 billion. The NIAA is responsible for advising the minister on the overall policy and financial management of the ABA.
The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) manages the ABA Homelands Project, a one-off allocation of $56 million made under subsection 64(4) of the Land Rights Act to improve infrastructure other than housing in homelands/outstations across the Northern Territory. The project commenced in early 2018, and all funding is expected to be allocated by mid-2023.

Aboriginals Benefit Account Annual Report 2021-22
https://www.transparency.gov.au/ann...-australians-agency/reporting-year/2021-22-40
 
Would be interesting to find out just how many millionaires there are in the Aboriginal industry, at the taxpayers' expense of course.
 


Back to the original issue of no transparency which a Voice would have been.

Last year travelling through the NW, Kimberly and NT you can see where the money is spent where clearly there are benefits and other projects just make you wonder WTF the differences are stark.

Didn't see to many communities where the rivers of cash ended up.

Everyone derides Alice Springs yet no calls as where the money goes, blood boils when Price slags off under resourced and under funded child protection workers, doubt her mob 200 to 300 kms away going without.
 


How would the Voice have improved transperancy?

The majority of current issues with regional aboriginal towns and its people is not due to lack of funding from Australian governments, it is not due to a Voice. Creating a separate country within a country is a problem, which the majority of Australians voted against at the recent Referendum.

Central Land Council Annual Report 2022–23

Since 1976 the Central Land Council has represented Aboriginal people in Central Australia, fighting for rights, helping to reclaim and manage land, protecting culture and heritage and pursuing the economic opportunities that come with the recognition of property rights.
We are a council of 90 Aboriginal people elected by their communities to represent them. The region covers 777,000 square kilometres, is home to approximately 24,000 Aboriginal people and over fifteen Aboriginal languages.
Our corporate plan sets out our strategic direction. It informs and guides the delivery of the CLC’s statutory functions so that our work is directed towards the priorities and aspirations of Aboriginal people across the region.

Aboriginals Benefit Account Annual Report 2021-22
https://www.transparency.gov.au/ann...-australians-agency/reporting-year/2021-22-40

At 30 June 2022, the net assets of the Aboriginals Benefit Account (ABA) were $1.419 billion. The NIAA is responsible for advising the minister on the overall policy and financial management of the ABA.
The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) manages the ABA Homelands Project, a one-off allocation of $56 million made under subsection 64(4) of the Land Rights Act to improve infrastructure other than housing in homelands/outstations across the Northern Territory. The project commenced in early 2018, and all funding is expected to be allocated by mid-2023.
 
It isn't about the "Voice" anymore, the cult has moved on to "nuclear" is not up for discussion.
Get with the programme John, didn't you receive the latest song sheet from the media?
The "Voice" is yesterday's news, today's news is, nuclear is bad remember Chernobyl.
No matter how many ways you show the obvious, the chorus will never deviate from the song sheet, until head office changes the song sheet.
 
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Is this how last year's referendum will be remembered in the history books?

 


 
Is this how last year's referendum will be remembered in the history books?


Thanks for posting that opinion could pull many bits of it apart still interesting flagging racism as an issue but do agree with this bit

"Next time we will need an Uluru-type process followed by a constitutional convention allowing representation of all viewpoints. We should only forego a proper constitutional convention if there is broad support in the parliament for whatever is recommended by an Uluru-type process. The moving image of Pat Anderson, Megan Davis and Noel Pearson at Uluru will need to be supplemented by a similar image of them together with the prime minister, leader of the opposition, and the leaders of the minor parties in our parliament. Without that second frame, forget it. None of us can afford another trainwreck like last year’s referendum."
 
Nailed it.
Everyone has to be on board, or it is just tokenism.
 
Apparently, diving for abalone is part of your rights, your tradition, and your identity as a 'strong Aboriginal man'.

Traditional Aboriginal diving equipment used to hunt abalones include; masks, snorkels and neoprene.





Native title holders on the NSW south coast are taking their legal battles to a new front after fighting for cultural fishing rights in local courts for decades.

They will file a class action in the Federal Court on Monday which could result in more than 10,000 people being eligible for a compensation payout from the NSW government for the criminalisation of traditional fishing practices that are protected under Commonwealth native title law.

The claim asserts that the NSW government has breached the Racial Discrimination Act, with devastating consequences for Aboriginal fishers and the entire community's health, family cohesion and the passing down of saltwater culture across generations.

"A lot of our divers have no other criminal records except for diving, and they're being sent to jail," said Steve Clarke, a Bidjigal-Wodi Wodi-Wandean man from Nowra, south of Sydney.

Mr Clarke was taught to dive for abalone and lobster as a child, and as the eldest in his family, he has a cultural responsibility to provide for his extended family.

But after years of surveillance and prosecution by fisheries compliance officers, paying thousands of dollars in fishing fines and serving jail time for unpaid fines, he gave up diving in his late 20s.

"I'd like to continue to carry on those skills and teachings, but in doing so I'm putting my sons and my nephews at risk of going to jail," Mr Clarke said.

"It takes away your rights, your tradition, and your identity as a strong Aboriginal man."

Solicitor Tristan Gaven is acting for the class action claim group, which includes more than 10,000 Indigenous people on the NSW south coast.
 
I thought the bag limit was to protect the species, obviously that slipped the custonians mind.

Same problem in other places, I have read about how the tribes in FNQ used to hunt for dugongs using the traditional aluminium runabout, the traditional fish finding radar and the traditional rifle.

Fortunately the Elders realised that the FNQ dugongs were being taken far too often to be sustainable and have voluntarily limited the catch
 
The usual scenario their "rights' and ours.
 
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