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farmerge said:
So what are the NT Govt and tourist industry doing about it?
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My guess, close it as no one wants to run it and very few want to visit it, if all they can do is photograph it.
Win Win the indegenous get the rock back, without all the work involving tourists.
The Govt doesnt have to excuse the fiasco and keep pouring in funds to support it.
Last but not least Qantas doesnt have to fly there.
It goes back to just another loss of income, but a reduction in welfare costs.
 
sptrawler said:
My guess, close it as no one wants to run it and very few want to visit it, if all they can do is photograph it.
Win Win the indegenous get the rock back, without all the work involving tourists.
The Govt doesnt have to excuse the fiasco and keep pouring in funds to support it.
Last but not least Qantas doesnt have to fly there.
It goes back to just another loss of income, but a reduction in welfare costs.
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You can ride around the bottom of it on a bike apparently.

https://www.outbackcycling.com/ulur...ike Ride lets,value activity options at Uluru!
 
sptrawler said:
From the article:
As Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park heads into its hot summer season and annual quieter tourism period, year-to-date visitor numbers are 164,678, compared with more than 300,000 in 2017.
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I'm pretty sure it was said on this forum at the time that if the single largest attraction in the area is shut then ultimately that'll be the end of it so far as tourism is concerned. The rest will cling on for a while but as visitor numbers drop, the rot will set in.

Add in the drama in Alice Springs and what reason is there for anyone to visit? Unless it's for work or they're just passing through on their way to somewhere else, why would anyone with no connections to the area go there?

There'd have to be a pretty compelling reason for tourists to visit somewhere they're at least suspicious they're not really welcome. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'm pretty sure it was said on this forum at the time that if the single largest attraction in the area is shut then ultimately that'll be the end of it so far as tourism is concerned. The rest will cling on for a while but as visitor numbers drop, the rot will set in.

Add in the drama in Alice Springs and what reason is there for anyone to visit? Unless it's for work or they're just passing through on their way to somewhere else, why would anyone with no connections to the area go there?

There'd have to be a pretty compelling reason for tourists to visit somewhere they're at least suspicious they're not really welcome. :2twocents
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Time to make Mt Augustus the national tourist attraction and its bigger than Ayres Rock.
But then I guess some crowd of 1st inhabitants will find a reason to can that also.
 
IFocus said:
Where were you? :)
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I was taking the kids up the rock, the wife went to the top once, but she wasn't game to do it again.
The first time was bad enough, in 1992 I thought the kids would chicken out, but the wife wouldn't move from chicken rock, it took me ages to talk her into it.
The next time we went up the rock 1998 there was no way she was going up. 🤣

It was quite an adventure in the early 1990's there wasn't a huge amount of traffic and the next fuel after Laverton was Warburton about 500km. It turned a few heads when we pulled up with 4 kids in the Falcon in 1992. :xyxthumbs

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IFocus said:
That's impressive SP
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Yes with 1100km of gravel, the important trick was to find where the flow through ventilation exit flaps are in the back of the car and cover them with masking tape so that the inside of the car pressurised or you ended up with a car full of red dust.
A trick I learned as a young bloke, a mate and myself went over the nullabor in his HG in 1971, when it was unsealed and it took us ages to clean the dust out.
That wasn't going to happen on the way back, so we sussed it out and it worked a treat, I've done it with all the cars I've taken offroad since and never had a problem with dust in the car.
The big issue with the Falcon, was carrying enough camping gear and clothing for the six of us and find space for a second spare, hence the spare on the tow bar.
We did lose the muffler crossing Docker river though, speed, low clearance and fully loaded makes for a bumpy crossing. ;)
In the background is Petermann ranges, if you ever get the opportunity it is a great trip, much more scenic than the Nullabor. They have been sealing the Great Central Road over the last few years, it wont be long and another of Australia great adventures will be gone..
 
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Smurf1976 said:
I'm pretty sure it was said on this forum at the time that if the single largest attraction in the area is shut then ultimately that'll be the end of it so far as tourism is concerned. The rest will cling on for a while but as visitor numbers drop, the rot will set in.

Add in the drama in Alice Springs and what reason is there for anyone to visit? Unless it's for work or they're just passing through on their way to somewhere else, why would anyone with no connections to the area go there?

There'd have to be a pretty compelling reason for tourists to visit somewhere they're at least suspicious they're not really welcome. :2twocents
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As per the crime reports recently, it seems a place to stay away from unless you want your valuables nicked.
 
SirRumpole said:
As per the crime reports recently, it seems a place to stay away from unless you want your valuables nicked.
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They wanted the Rock back. They've now got that and oophs we didn't realise that the tourists wouldn't be interested in just looking at it from afar or just mosing around the perimeter.
No doubt the outstretched hand and begging bowl (or is it a dump truck) will be soon on the scene.
 
wayneL said:
Wagyl made his presence known during the construction of the State Equestrian Centre and the Brigadoon estate

Comical, if not expensive.
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@wayneL best around here was the junction of Country Road and Toodyay Road some years ago.
That corner wasn't completed for a few years due the Wagyl being upset.
It wasn't until a serious amount of CASH changed hands that the "serpent' (lazy b**stards) were happy.
 
Some diverse views in this article about youth crime.

I reckon public protection comes first. Get them off the streets and teach them skills while they are doing the time, then see how that goes.

And make parents more responsible.

www.abc.net.au

Marion Scrymgour accuses NT government of 'pussyfooting' around issue of youth crime

Labor MP Marion Scrymgour has hit out at her own party by criticising the NT government over its handling of youth crime.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
SirRumpole said:
Some diverse views in this article about youth crime.

I reckon public protection comes first. Get them off the streets and teach them skills while they are doing the time, then see how that goes.

And make parents more responsible.

www.abc.net.au

Marion Scrymgour accuses NT government of 'pussyfooting' around issue of youth crime

Labor MP Marion Scrymgour has hit out at her own party by criticising the NT government over its handling of youth crime.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Think I have already mentioned it but listen to a psychologist who work (23 years) with detained kids at Banskisha Hills detention centre made some interesting comments.

1. Wasn't aware of a single kid who had been rehabilitated from being locked up.
2. Recidivist rate at around 80% to 90%.
3. Most went onto bigger criminal careers.
4. Estimated around 70% plus were there due to family dysfunction.
5. Stated unless you fix the family dysfunction nothing will change.

The problem with the justice system is communities want revenge urged on by politicians looking for votes compounding the problem further.
Fixing or addressing dysfunction doesn't win votes and invariably you get the accusations labeling "do gooders" "woke" etc, we reap what we sow.

BTW at no time was there mention that there shouldn't be consequences for criminal behavior just that by the time that happened it was way to late.
 
IFocus said:
Wasn't aware of a single kid who had been rehabilitated from being locked up.
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I'd suggest that they were just locked up and not given any alternative options while they were there.

It's not the police's job to educate them, tafes and other educational systems need to go in there.
IFocus said:
Estimated around 70% plus were there due to family dysfunction.
5. Stated unless you fix the family dysfunction nothing will change.
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Yes, I would believe that. Parents letting their kids run around while the parents are in the pub. If kids under 15 are running around after dark the parents should be fined.
 

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