The Voice

[sptrawler]

Jacinta for PM

IMO that goes without saying and I have, to me she is a bit like Bob Hawke, she cuts through the crap and actually says it as it is and it resonates with all sides of the population.

IMO she will be the first Aboriginal PM, if she isn't, my guess is it will be from a character assassination by the media, but that wont start until she is in a position to push for P.M. and that is a long way off.

Probably two more election cycles at best and that is if she can be bothered with all the harassment she will get along the way, look at McGowan etc it all becomes hard, for her it will be 10 times harder.

Not only is she female, she is aboriginal and she isn't left leaning, that becomes a huge amount of baggage in our media centric society.
But if she sees it through, I'm 100% sure she will be P.M, but lets wait for the dirt.

 

[wayneL]

IMO that goes without saying and I have, to me she is a bit like Bob Hawke, she cuts through the crap and actually says it as it is and it resonates with all sides of the population.

IMO she will be the first Aboriginal PM, if she isn't, my guess is it will be from a character assassination by the media, but that wont start until she is in a position to push for P.M. and that is a long way off.

Probably two more election cycles at best and that is if she can be bothered with all the harassment she will get along the way, look at McGowan etc it all becomes hard, for her it will be 10 times harder.

Not only is she female, she is aboriginal and she isn't left leaning, that becomes a huge amount of baggage in our society.

For me, the fact that she is Aboriginal and female is pretty much irrelevant. I just love her view on things.

Yep Jacinta for PM,. When the time is right.

 

[sptrawler]

For me, the fact that she is Aboriginal and female is pretty much irrelevant. I just love her view on things.

Yep Jacinta for PM,. When the time is right.

The fact she is aboriginal is irrelevant, but it's amazing how it was used to demonise her in the voice debate by the YES side.
So obviously it is relevant, if it can be weaponised against her, by those who are purporting to be championing the plight of aboriginals.

 

[wayneL]

The fact she is aboriginal is irrelevant, but it's amazing how it was used to demonise her in the voice debate by the YES side.
So obviously it is relevant, if it can be weaponised against her, by those who are purporting to be championing the plight of aboriginals.

Well yes, that is certainly true.

If those things play in her favor, good.

I think she has some maturing to do in order to be ready for that job, a view she shares herself, but truly enthusiastic for whenever she is ready.

 

[sptrawler]

Well yes, that is certainly true.

If those things play in her favor, good.

I think she has some maturing to do in order to be ready for that job, a view she shares herself, but truly enthusiastic for whenever she is ready.

Australia is really ready for a leader, who isn't a lifetime political hack, from the Canberra breeding ground of self centred inwardly focused, waffle makers.
It has been a long time, since Australia has not been lead by a bully.

 

[IFocus]

IMO that goes without saying and I have, to me she is a bit like Bob Hawke,

Nothing like Hawke geezus.

 

[sptrawler]

Nothing like Hawke geezus.

WHY? I would love to debate that, please lets.

And lets move on from sound grabs.

By the way I did vote for him Twice, so use facts, not union folk law and I was always a fully paid up member and negotiated EBA's for the guys and actually met BOB at KPS.

There is a reason that Labor has struggled to get back in and stay in since Hawke/ Keating and it isn't because the opposition has been great.

 

[wayneL]

WHY? I would love to debate that, please lets.

And lets move on from sound grabs.

By the way I did vote for him Twice, so use facts, not union folk law .

There is a reason that Labor has struggled to get back in and stay in since Hawke/ Keating and it isn't because the opposition has been great.

Not seeing the similarity myself either tbh, happy to hear your reasoning

 

[sptrawler]

Not seeing the similarity myself either tbh, happy to hear your reasoning

Stay tuned.
Let's see why @IFocus differentiates between Hawke and Price.
What was so special about Hawke, that resonated with the majority of Australians, is a good starting point.
To coin a phrase, geezus.

 

[SirRumpole]

Stay tuned.
Let's see why @IFocus differentiates between Hawke and Price.
What was so special about Hawke, that resonated with the majority of Australians, is a good starting point.
To coin a phrase, geezus.

I think JNP has a good grasp of her portfolio but have not seen her competence in other areas like finance, defence etc.

If she is going to be leader at some stage then she needs to demonstrate wider knowledge and competence of areas that affect all the electorate, not just a small part of it.

But I wish her luck, she speaks with a voice of practicality not ideology.

 

[sptrawler]

I think JNP has a good grasp of her portfolio but have not seen her competence in other areas like finance, defence etc.

If she is going to be leader at some stage then she needs to demonstrate wider knowledge and competence of areas that affect all the electorate, not just a small part of it.

But I wish her luck, she speaks with a voice of practicality not ideology.

That is her biggest challenge, convincing people that she is mature enough and smart enough to lead a Government, if you have the right person in charge who can bring together the people and give them a common goal they don't need to be accountants.
Lech Walesa was an electrician who took Poland from a Marxist Socialist State to a Liberal democracy and he wasn't an accountant, just a person with a vision that the people believed in.
The Government is surrounded by highly paid public servants, that have access to resources to be able to guide the Government, the politicians themselves don't need to be experts at everything, that in a lot of cases is why they get us in manure they think they are experts at everything and refuse to listen.
When one of your biggest issues is a social issue, the last thing you need to solve it is an academic, the least of Australia's problems at the moment is money.
The real problem is getting everyone to push to a common goal as one people, ATM the country is full of people wanting to take a lot and give a little, that is undermining our society IMO.

Lech Wałęsa - Wikipedia

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[SirRumpole]

The Government is surrounded by highly paid public servants, that have access to resources to be able to guide the Government, the politicians themselves don't need to be experts at everything, that in a lot of cases is why they get us in manure they think they are experts at everything and refuse to listen.

I agree that politicians don't need to be (and can't be) experts at everything they just have to show that their priorities are for the good of the whole country.

They still need some discretion because sometimes the advice of experts can be self serving and the pollies need to be able to weed that type of stuff out and sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

[IFocus]

WHY? I would love to debate that, please lets.

And lets move on from sound grabs.

By the way I did vote for him Twice, so use facts, not union folk law and I was always a fully paid up member and negotiated EBA's for the guys and actually met BOB at KPS.

There is a reason that Labor has struggled to get back in and stay in since Hawke/ Keating and it isn't because the opposition has been great.

Oh for god's sake Hawke was an advocate for minorities and disadvantaged for starters and empower Aboriginals as much as was possible at the time, Price is none of that.

He certainly did not fly into Alice Springs refuse to talk to local Aboriginal leaders then proceed to attack front line health and child protection workers who lacked funding and resources then fly out.

Hawke never did the shameful poisoned politics such as the call for a Royal Commission into child sexual abuse when 33 such reports all ready existed what didn't exist was action under a Coalition Government.

Hawke didn't need protection in his own seat or stand around spewing out white fella right wing ideology BS at hard right wing talk fests.

AS for PM never to many grifters in the way.

Hawke was a consensus leader Price is 100% divisive going after the Trans community an example.

 

[sptrawler]

I agree that politicians don't need to be (and can't be) experts at everything they just have to show that their priorities are for the good of the whole country.

They still need some discretion because sometimes the advice of experts can be self serving and the pollies need to be able to weed that type of stuff out and sort the wheat from the chaff.

Absolutely, the thing that seems to be pulling Australia apart ATM, is the lack of a national identity, we seem to be losing that mateship the proudness to be Australian.
A lot of it I think is driven by the over representation groups get, everything is about how badly this group is doing and how well this other group is doing, the narrative is always about pitching one group against another.
The whole national narrative isn't about how we can all pull together to make Australia the great place it was renowned for, where hard work led to reward, now the narrative seems to be about reward without the hard work part, hard work that's so yesterday.

 

[The Triangle]

Australia is really ready for a leader, who isn't a lifetime political hack, from the Canberra breeding ground of self centred inwardly focused, waffle makers.
It has been a long time, since Australia has not been lead by a bully.

All countries are ready for that kind of leader.

Jacinta only gets airtime because she's a female and aboriginal and we just made aboriginals front and center of the news cycle for several months. She comes from a background of a politician mother...and entertainment. Not exactly a background that allows you to easily relate to normal people and get things done, but a background that makes you great at managing crowds and sound like you get things done.

Our politicians need to focus on the issues impacting large groups of people. Trans and Aboriginals are not large groups. She reminds me of a yank politician who only talks about abortion and guns. You can like those views and agree with those views - that's fine - but those views are irrelevant to the day-to-day life of the average joe as it doesn't put food on the table or improve your life.

Every right leaning white aussie is falling over themselves to praise her for what? what's she done? what's her track record? What is her plan on housing? What is her plan on infrastructure? Immigration? Education? Health care? Foreign relations? Imports? Exports? Resources? Farming? Until we see some actual views on matters which impact most Australians, I don't see how anyone can think she would be a good PM.

 

[sptrawler]

Oh for god's sake Hawke was an advocate for minorities and disadvantaged for starters and empower Aboriginals as much as was possible at the time, Price is none of that.

Why is Price non of that? Because she doesn't agree with you and your stance? 60% of the population agree with her.
Even Bob didn't talk about changing the constitution, he talked about a treaty, so you disagree with him also?

Identity politics and an over inflated opinion of your own perceptions, doesn't mean you are right and criticising others that don't agree with you isn't a form of consensus, it is a form of belligerence.

He certainly did not fly into Alice Springs refuse to talk to local Aboriginal leaders then proceed to attack front line health and child protection workers who lacked funding and resources then fly out.

You're right I don't remember him flying to Alice Springs at all, Jacinta Price lived in Alice Springs so no doubt she will have talked to most of the aboriginals there. As for Bob refusing to talk to people, he demanded the pilots that went on strike be banned from ever being employed in Australia again, so much for conciliation.

Hawke never did the shameful poisoned politics such as the call for a Royal Commission into child sexual abuse when 33 such reports all ready existed what didn't exist was action under a Coalition Government.

Why wouldn't you call for a Royal Commission, if as you say nothing has been done? Maybe that's because they don't intend to do anything either, as you've said move on nothing to see here, it's over.

Hawke didn't need protection in his own seat or stand around spewing out white fella right wing ideology BS at hard right wing talk fests.

No Hawke wanted Australia to show its respect to Hirohito by flying Australian flags at half mast, but there was such a backlash that he reversed his decision, so he wasn't without his moments.
How right wing was it, for Hawke to bring in the military to strike break the pilots? It don't get much more right wing than that, how selective is your anger?

AS for PM never to many grifters in the way.

Hawke was a consensus leader Price is 100% divisive going after the Trans community an example.

Hawke wasn't a consensus leader, he was in bed with the ACTU and basically did what is happening now, which was cut 'real' wages.
He was extremely popular with the workers, because they believed this time it will be different, that wore off and Keating rolled him and Keating only lasted one term.
It was after the Hawke/Keating years that workers left the union in droves and they have never recovered, now Labors voter base is inner city elites, the workers have never trusted Labor since the Hawke Keating years.

 

[mullokintyre]

All countries are ready for that kind of leader.

Jacinta only gets airtime because she's a female and aboriginal and we just made aboriginals front and center of the news cycle for several months. She comes from a background of a politician mother...and entertainment. Not exactly a background that allows you to easily relate to normal people and get things done, but a background that makes you great at managing crowds and sound like you get things done.

Our politicians need to focus on the issues impacting large groups of people. Trans and Aboriginals are not large groups. She reminds me of a yank politician who only talks about abortion and guns. You can like those views and agree with those views - that's fine - but those views are irrelevant to the day-to-day life of the average joe as it doesn't put food on the table or improve your life.

Every right leaning white aussie is falling over themselves to praise her for what? what's she done? what's her track record? What is her plan on housing? What is her plan on infrastructure? Immigration? Education? Health care? Foreign relations? Imports? Exports? Resources? Farming? Until we see some actual views on matters which impact most Australians, I don't see how anyone can think she would be a good PM.

Unless you have survived the political cesspit thats is factional ideology driven, you will never make it in politics, no matter how appealing you are to some sections of the voters.
Price does not fit that bill, so unlikely to ever proceed beyond talk.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

All countries are ready for that kind of leader.

Jacinta only gets airtime because she's a female and aboriginal and we just made aboriginals front and center of the news cycle for several months. She comes from a background of a politician mother...and entertainment. Not exactly a background that allows you to easily relate to normal people and get things done, but a background that makes you great at managing crowds and sound like you get things done.

Our politicians need to focus on the issues impacting large groups of people. Trans and Aboriginals are not large groups. She reminds me of a yank politician who only talks about abortion and guns. You can like those views and agree with those views - that's fine - but those views are irrelevant to the day-to-day life of the average joe as it doesn't put food on the table or improve your life.

Every right leaning white aussie is falling over themselves to praise her for what? what's she done? what's her track record? What is her plan on housing? What is her plan on infrastructure? Immigration? Education? Health care? Foreign relations? Imports? Exports? Resources? Farming? Until we see some actual views on matters which impact most Australians, I don't see how anyone can think she would be a good PM.

Very true, but you elect people to suit the situation, like Churchill during the war brilliant after the war $hyte. Lech Walesa pre democratic Poland great, once it had broken the shackles of communism, he fell in a hole, there is never one person for all occasions.

With Price, she is in the Senate, so as I said it would be years before she would be able to have any chance, if indeed she actually stays around.
The fact she can hold her nerve under the pressure and bile thrown at her, showed she has the nerve to stand by her beliefs, not many politicians do that any more they pander to a populist media which was very active against her.

With regard her plans, one would assume that they would be developed as the career progressed, at this point people are talking about her personal presence, persona and delivery.

 

[sptrawler]

Unless you have survived the political cesspit thats is factional ideology driven, you will never make it in politics, no matter how appealing you are to some sections of the voters.
Price does not fit that bill, so unlikely to ever proceed beyond talk.
Mick

I think that is close to the truth.

 

[wayneL]

I think that is close to the truth.

Additionally any leader of any political party has to be somewhat Machiavellian and probably psychopathic. As much as I like her I don't see her having those particular "qualities".

Also noteworthy is that she doesn't see herself as Prime Minister material at this stage.