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An Australian Pilot is being held in a tightly controlled supermax prison on the behest of US austhorities.

from ABC News
A former US marine pilot fighting extradition to the United States is being held in prison under the strictest conditions that may have resulted from foreign interference, his lawyer says.

Key points:​

  • Mr Duggan's lawyer says he has filed a complaint about the conduct of Australian intelligence officers
  • The US has until December 20 to formally apply for Mr Duggan's extradition
  • The case is due to return to court on December 16

Daniel Edmund Duggan is due to be transported to Goulburn's Supermax prison under a "high-risk" classification, defence lawyer Dennis Miralis today told the Downing Centre Local Court in Sydney.

Mr Duggan was arrested in Orange on October 21, the same week the British government issued a rare warning about China's recruitment of retired military pilots.

The 54-year-old's charges remain sealed after he was arrested at Washington's request, while his defence is also seeking details of the warrant to detain him.

Mr Miralis said it was unprecedented to have an Australian citizen with no criminal history placed on inmate restrictions akin with people who have been convicted of terrorist offences and multiple homicides.

"In 22 years of practising criminal law with a specialisation in extradition I have yet to see something as remarkable as this," he said outside court.

"We've been told the Australian Federal Police do not regard him as a risk, we've been told the Attorney-General's department do not regard him as a risk.

"We are concerned that there may have been some foreign interference encouraging the corrective services minister to take this dramatic course of action."

Mr Miralis said Mr Duggan was a "proud Australian" and no longer held US citizenship.

The father of six was a "well-regarded" fighter jet pilot, according to a fellow former marine, and had recently worked in China training commercial flight crew.

The US has until December 20 to formally apply for Mr Duggan's extradition otherwise he should be released from prison, the court was told.

Barrister Trent Glover, representing the United States, said once the official extradition request was received Mr Duggan had three choices.

Under the bilateral extradition treaty Mr Duggan can either waive the extradition, consent to it, or contest eligibility for surrender to the United States, Mr Glover said.

"This is an ordinary usual extradition process."

Mr Miralis said his client had been denied medical treatment and was unable to access pens to write a complaint to the Attorney-General's department about his treatment on remand.

The lawyer has filed a complaint about the conduct of Australian intelligence officers and said extradition should be put on hold until that had been resolved by Australia's intelligence watchdog.

Both the British and Australian governments have recently highlighted fears that Beijing has been poaching retired pilots to train China's air force.

The case next due before court on December 16.
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How is it that our Government allows this to happen?
Are we so beholden to the Yanks that we arrest our own citisens at their begest?
Where are are all the civil libertarians? Julian Burnside anyone? What about Geoffrey Robinson, or Gillian Triggs? the Greens?
Why is not 4 corners all over it, the Guardian, geez even Milligan is quiet.
On the other hand, given the way Australia treated another of its citizens, Julian Assange, I am not surprised.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
An Australian Pilot is being held in a tightly controlled supermax prison on the behest of US austhorities.

from ABC News

How is it that our Government allows this to happen?
Are we so beholden to the Yanks that we arrest our own citisens at their begest?
Where are are all the civil libertarians? Julian Burnside anyone? What about Geoffrey Robinson, or Gillian Triggs? the Greens?
Why is not 4 corners all over it, the Guardian, geez even Milligan is quiet.
On the other hand, given the way Australia treated another of its citizens, Julian Assange, I am not surprised.
Mick
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...and Kim Dotcom's story is pretty alarming also
 
mullokintyre said:
An Australian Pilot is being held in a tightly controlled supermax prison on the behest of US austhorities.

from ABC News

How is it that our Government allows this to happen?
Are we so beholden to the Yanks that we arrest our own citisens at their begest?
Where are are all the civil libertarians? Julian Burnside anyone? What about Geoffrey Robinson, or Gillian Triggs? the Greens?
Why is not 4 corners all over it, the Guardian, geez even Milligan is quiet.
On the other hand, given the way Australia treated another of its citizens, Julian Assange, I am not surprised.
Mick
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Goes under the same heading as the P.M isn't required to fill sandbags anymore, now the ScoMo's gone. ?
Also it wont be a prerequisite that the P.M no longer has to stay home in case of bushfires. OMG I think I'm going to choke :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Australia, your standing in it.
 
Good old boot licking politicians. From scomo to Albo you can't trust one.

The quicker we ditch the US the better.
 
sptrawler said:
Goes under the same heading as the P.M isn't required to fill sandbags anymore, now the ScoMo's gone. ?
Also it wont be a prerequisite that the P.M no longer has to stay home in case of bushfires. OMG I think I'm going to choke :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Australia, your standing in it.
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Jenny has apologised for forcing her husband take a secret holiday in Hawaii during the height of the bushfires and not telling Parliament who was now in charge. We all know he don't hold a hose. All is forgiven.
I think it puts Scott in a good light that even as PM he let's Jenny take public responsibility. If only more men would like him, eh? Too many men don't obey their wives.
www.sbs.com.au

Jenny Morrison wishes the Hawaii trip never happened

In an interview with 60 Minutes Scott Morrison's wife Jenny Morrison apologised for overseas holiday with the Prime Minister during the devastating 2019-2020 bushfires.
www.sbs.com.au www.sbs.com.au
 
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Knobby22 said:
Jenny has apologised for forcing her husband take a secret holiday in Hawaii during the height of the bushfires and not telling Parliament who was now in charge. We all know he don't hold a hose. All is forgiven.
I think it puts Scott in a good light that even as PM he let's Jenny take public responsibility. If only more men would like him, eh? Too many men don't obey their wives.
www.sbs.com.au

Jenny Morrison wishes the Hawaii trip never happened

In an interview with 60 Minutes Scott Morrison's wife Jenny Morrison apologised for overseas holiday with the Prime Minister during the devastating 2019-2020 bushfires.
www.sbs.com.au www.sbs.com.au
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I wonder why there's been so much scomo news lately?
Albo mustn't sell papers.
 
mullokintyre said:
An Australian Pilot is being held in a tightly controlled supermax prison on the behest of US austhorities.

from ABC News

How is it that our Government allows this to happen?
Are we so beholden to the Yanks that we arrest our own citisens at their begest?
Where are are all the civil libertarians? Julian Burnside anyone? What about Geoffrey Robinson, or Gillian Triggs? the Greens?
Why is not 4 corners all over it, the Guardian, geez even Milligan is quiet.
On the other hand, given the way Australia treated another of its citizens, Julian Assange, I am not surprised.
Mick
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We may not have all the information in regard to what this pilot is accused of.
 
Sean K said:
We may not have all the information in regard to what this pilot is accused of.
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Exactly.
But does that excuse the extreme treatment of an Oz citizen who has not been charged or even accused of committing crime here in OZ?
Transparency is everything.
No one should be taken into custody without all the charges being laid out in front of them.
Basic human rights.
We rightly bag the **** out of China Russia, North Korea or Myanmar for their poor human rights records, particularly on matters of summary detention.
And then our Government goes and does this.
Mick
 
Knobby22 said:
www.lexology.com

The US can extradite Australian citizens who have never set foot on its territory: The long arm of American international criminal law

The United States of America's federal system of criminal law is one of, if not the most, extensive in the world. Its jurisdictional reach, in certain…
www.lexology.com www.lexology.com
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From the above article
A related but distinct consideration, irrespective of the geographical reach of a particular offence, is that of dual criminality. This concept has been explained by the High Court of Australia as meaning that “extradition is only granted in respect of an act or omission which is a crime according to the law of the state which is asked to extradite as well as of the state which demands extradition.” In other words, the act/s in question must constitute a crime in both Australia and the United States.
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If the above is true, one would have to assume that the offence for which he was arrested, is also an arrestable offence in OZ, otherwise the extraditon will fail.
But of course, we are not privvy to these charges, and neither is the arrested person or his lawyer, assuming he was allowed to communicate with his client.
mick
 
mullokintyre said:
From the above article

If the above is true, one would have to assume that the offence for which he was arrested, is also an arrestable offence in OZ, otherwise the extraditon will fail.
But of course, we are not privvy to these charges, and neither is the arrested person or his lawyer, assuming he was allowed to communicate with his client.
mick
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Do we know what aircraft this guys used to fly? If it's Hornet or JSF, then it could affect both countries. If he knows the exact capabilities (or lack of) of either aircraft and has passed on information to the Chinese then it's a pretty serious offence. Maybe he's just been flying King AIrs too. Just speculating, got no idea what's gone on here.
 
IFocus said:
Afraid our terrorism laws allow just that, that's before you get to Fishery Officers powers.:)
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We don't know if the bloke has not been charged under our terrorism laws.
If he was, thats what they would have said as such, without actually saying what it is he is supposed to be charged with.
According to his lawyer, none of that has occurred.
Mick
 

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