The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

Actually we were one of the first to test scram jets in 2002, but people forget, even those who never forget or think they know everything.

https://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/hyshot/default.htm

It has come a long way since then, we have discussed them a bit, in the future of energy generation and storage thread or the electric car thread, I can't remember which.

 

[macca]

Quite correct. I suppose the advantage is that it's been tested by others but still there are opportunities for local capabilities in drones and satellites. Good to see the Australian Space Agency get a mention by the PM, a potential source of employment for high paid science/engineering graduates.

I would definitely prefer developing drones, we have a strong gaming industry and the software would be very similar I would imagine.

Far more beneficial than a billion dollar sub delivered in 2050 using diesel oil for fuel

 

[PZ99]

Given that we all debated at length the impetus of the election result I thought people might be interested in this free download of "Morrison's miracle" > https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n6364/pdf/book.pdf

One thing I stole from it was this..

This suggests that the ALP's reformist "third way" polices have put them on a terminal decline and they left too many working people behind for the so-called greater good of free enterprise. Maybe I'm wrong ?

Their only decent spike is when the Howard Govt did even worse for workers.

In this current environment AA has his work cut out IMO.

 

[SirRumpole]

Given that we all debated at length the impetus of the election result I thought people might be interested in this free download of "Morrison's miracle" > https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n6364/pdf/book.pdf

One thing I stole from it was this..

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This suggests that the ALP's reformist "third way" polices have put them on a terminal decline and they left too many working people behind for the so-called greater good of free enterprise. Maybe I'm wrong ?

Their only decent spike is when the Howard Govt did even worse for workers.

In this current environment AA has his work cut out IMO.

I think you're right. Labor will have to find a way to appeal to "aspirational" voters including the self employed tradies or professional people who are being ripped off by big business.


Anti corporatism , more individualism has to be their message. That area really should be classical Liberal territory, but the Libs have showed their true colours by backing the big banks ripping off individuals by opposition to the banking inquiry and the Libs are a corporatist party these days, big money is all they really care about.

Labor's traditional base of union members is declining as more people are shifted to the gig economy and can't afford the union dues if there is even a union to represent them and they can't keep relying on just the welfare vote either.

Highlighting the Libs lack of vision also should be on Labor's agenda. It's going to be tough because Howard couldn't see two feet in front of him but was around for 11 years.

 

[sptrawler]

Highlighting the Libs lack of vision also should be on Labor's agenda. It's going to be tough because Howard couldn't see two feet in front of him but was around for 11 years.

And is still the most trusted politician from polls and is still the last one to bring in a surplus and is still called upon for comments.
As opposed to others who are still screaming out for attention?
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think Howard was the last bastion, before the current chaos of politics.
Union membership has been declining for decades, as members realise that they are pawns, in a political game the executive plays, to hopefully get on the political gravy train.
The rest who believe different are cannon fodder, they will go down with the ship, it was a sad day when the Labor party was taken over by the intellectuals .
Hopefully Albo can turn it around, the ones preceding him, were worse than the Libs and that is a sad thing to say.

 

[IFocus]

"Mathias Cormann leaves a legacy of losses as Finance Minister"

Government spending
The Abbott Government surfed into office in 2013 largely on the back of outrage against Labor’s “reckless spending” and “disastrous deficits”. In Labor’s last three years in power, federal spending averaged 24.3% of gross domestic product (GDP). That was quite low in historic terms for Australia and relative to comparable countries. In Labor’s last full year, 2012-13, spending was cut to $367 billion — 23.9% of GDP.

Abandoning all promises, the incoming Coalition with Cormann as finance minister swiftly reversed this thrift. Outlays rose to average 25.4% of GDP in the first three years, and 24.7% over the last three. In the year to May, spending was above $489 billion, against MYEFO estimates of $456 billion.

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/math...minister/?mc_cid=bc97330309&mc_eid=7935c92ad0

 

[sptrawler]

"Mathias Cormann leaves a legacy of losses as Finance Minister"

Government spending
The Abbott Government surfed into office in 2013 largely on the back of outrage against Labor’s “reckless spending” and “disastrous deficits”. In Labor’s last three years in power, federal spending averaged 24.3% of gross domestic product (GDP). That was quite low in historic terms for Australia and relative to comparable countries. In Labor’s last full year, 2012-13, spending was cut to $367 billion — 23.9% of GDP.

Abandoning all promises, the incoming Coalition with Cormann as finance minister swiftly reversed this thrift. Outlays rose to average 25.4% of GDP in the first three years, and 24.7% over the last three. In the year to May, spending was above $489 billion, against MYEFO estimates of $456 billion.

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/math...minister/?mc_cid=bc97330309&mc_eid=7935c92ad0

Well they should have lost the last election, so the next one should be a shoe in for Labor.

 

[IFocus]

Well they should have lost the last election, so the next one should be a shoe in for Labor.

Afraid the numbers don't lie unlike the Coalition on who handles money better while grifting it to their mates.

 

[sptrawler]

Afraid the numbers don't lie unlike the Coalition on who handles money better while grifting it to their mates.

Like I said, the next election will show how it all sits, labor have plenty of time to get it right next time.
It all boils down to perception and last election the perception of what labor was offering was terrible, hopefully they have learnt something.

 

[wayneL]

Let's be honest, neither major party deserve the reins power and that's the problem.

If we kick these knobs out, Aussies are stupid enough to vote for the other knobs, with even worse knobs as alternatives.

I'm praying TSC might be able to make some sort of impact.

 

[SirRumpole]

Let's be honest, neither major party deserve the reins power and that's the problem.

If we kick these knobs out, Aussies are stupid enough to vote for the other knobs, with even worse knobs as alternatives.

I'm praying TSC might be able to make some sort of impact.

Who is TSC ?

 

[IFocus]

Like I said, the next election will show how it all sits, labor have plenty of time to get it right next time.
It all boils down to perception and last election the perception of what labor was offering was terrible, hopefully they have learnt something.

While conservatives distract the population successfully by running cultural wars of no significance (the very success seen here very much on these forums)all the while leaching the nations wealth / rights / freedoms away from the lower / middle income majority and increasing job wealth insecurity.

Its no surprise the population vote against their long term benefit the US is a very good example Australia being a mini version IMHO.

 

[sptrawler]

While conservatives distract the population successfully by running cultural wars of no significance (the very success seen here very much on these forums)all the while leaching the nations wealth / rights / freedoms away from the lower / middle income majority and increasing job wealth insecurity.

Its no surprise the population vote against their long term benefit the US is a very good example Australia being a mini version IMHO.

Well if you think back to the last election, and analyse their policies and then try to bring it forward to now, I think they would be under a lot of public pressure at the moment.
But as I say it is all perceptions and everyone has a different view, I just get on with my life and try not to dwell on the crusades people run.
Most have an agenda and I feel very few get into politics with the goal of making my life better.
It is strange, that you feel the majority, can't see what you see and voted for the coalition. You tend to paint the lower middle class as muppets, because they disagree with your perception.
Yet the swing away from the coalition, was from the very people, you say the coalition are there to help get richer.
Maybe yours is a conditioned belief, or maybe you are actually one of the wealthy, that like to vote Labor on conscience?
It really doesn't matter, what matters is that we work with what we have to best look after ourselves, our families and those who deserve it.

 

[orr]

Who is TSC ?

Trotskyists Solcialists & Commo's....

 

[sptrawler]

Trotsyists Solcialists & Commo's....

Thanks, oldies like Rumpy and myself, aren't up with these TLA's (three letter abbreviations)

 

[wayneL]

Who is TSC ?

"The Sensible Center", the group I have posted about on its own thread.

 

[SirRumpole]

"The Sensible Center", the group I have posted about on its own thread.

Right. Got any individuals in mind ?

 

[wayneL]

Right. Got any individuals in mind ?

Not really, I haven't been following a long very closely. Been busy getting myself extraordinarily alarmed at both the history and current actions of Central Banks... And getting bent out of shape about the current discussion on bail ins in our own banking system.

 

[IFocus]

Well if you think back to the last election, and analyse their policies and then try to bring it forward to now, I think they would be under a lot of public pressure at the moment.
But as I say it is all perceptions and everyone has a different view, I just get on with my life and try not to dwell on the crusades people run.
Most have an agenda and I feel very few get into politics with the goal of making my life better.
It is strange, that you feel the majority, can't see what you see and voted for the coalition. You tend to paint the lower middle class as muppets, because they disagree with your perception.
Yet the swing away from the coalition, was from the very people, you say the coalition are there to help get richer.
Maybe yours is a conditioned belief, or maybe you are actually one of the wealthy, that like to vote Labor on conscience?
It really doesn't matter, what matters is that we work with what we have to best look after ourselves, our families and those who deserve it.

Again the numbers support my position, greatest transfer of wealth ever, stagnant wages, deteriorating workers rights, labour being casualised, stripping of penalty rates, continued attacked on unions (nurses and firemen's), killing off of youth training / apprenticeships (Tafe) just for starters.

This is all around attacks on middle income.

The debt incurred by the Coalition far out ways anything Labor ever did and yet there is silence?

Feel free to put up a contrary argument.

BTW last election the Coalition didn't have any polices.

 

[orr]

transfer of wealth ever, stagnant wages,

BTW last election the Coalition didn't have any polices.

correct me if I'm wrong here Focus but it's my recollection that Schmuck Schmo as a policy promised us a Federal ICAC... bit quiet on that front. I expected little from this clowns arse outfit and they've delivered far less.

As to transfer; Picketty's "Capital in The Twenty First Century" does superlative pull apart of the major economic compression from the out break of WW1 through the Grt Depression to the End WW2...
The chances of a considerable amount of wealth evaporating from the upper echelon as an out come of the current unfolding situation is highly possible. History seldom truely repeats but it does tend to rhyme.
The immediate real effects will apply to the poor as always and we've manufactured plenty of them....
The outcome for the working and middle class post WW2 can be looked upon with some affection in an economic sense. Up until rise of neo rationist distempered insanity...
cheers all...