To the people of west oz.....=0
To the people of west oz.....=0Can you provide a cost benefit analysis that says high speed rail is worth the cost ?
If it is, then I'd certainly support it.
No these things to not have to show they make money for the government at all, but they should show some sort of benefit for society, and perhaps the overall local economy.That was exactly my point. You can't do an accurate cost benefit analysis. And even if you could, not everything the government does should be viewed in terms of cost benefit. I could use cost benefit analysis to justify capital punishment, forced sterilisation, all kinds of things we wouldn't generally accept as a society (well I don't mind death penalty) Is there a positive cost benefit analysis on welfare? submarines? tanks? job keeper payments to Harvey Norman? A statue in a park?
As an aside - Sydney Opera house was probably regarded as one of the biggest project management failures of all time. If they knew the true cost at the time it would never have been built. Doubt it will ever pay itself back. But I'd be willing to bet that most people today are glad it was built. I think cost estimates need to be accurate - but they don't always need to show that they 'make money' for the government.
Have to start somewhere, I don't really care that much, but would rather infrastructure spending over tanks and handouts. Could build a lot of fire stations and fire trucks, flood barriers, whatever. Government infrastructure projects will never ever make the majority happy, as you get the 'why is this not in my backyard first' crowd. I just think its the best bang for your buck and in 10, 20, 50 years it's still there.In Japan tbe high speed trains dont replace tbe normal trains, they compliment them.
The shinkansen runs between major population towns, the normal speed picks up the smaller towns. It works well, but the population densities are much greater than here, whether it would be sensible here is dubious.
Maybe Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane interconnect, but smaller populations would be dubious IMO and even the above would take years to justify itself on patronage IMO.
Having high speed from Sydney to Newcastle sounds like pork barreling, why not Melbourne to Geelong, Brisbane to sunshine coast or gold coast, Perth to Bunbury etc.
And in one fell swoop you have highlighted the problem of public transport.Have to start somewhere, I don't really care that much, but would rather infrastructure spending over tanks and handouts. Could build a lot of fire stations and fire trucks, flood barriers, whatever. Government infrastructure projects will never ever make the majority happy, as you get the 'why is this not in my backyard first' crowd. I just think its the best bang for your buck and in 10, 20, 50 years it's still there.
Perth-Bunbury wouldn't work, can't smoke meth on the train.
Agree I just think if you are going to put in high speed train, it needs to be really high speed train and that really needs to service large populations.Have to start somewhere, I don't really care that much, but would rather infrastructure spending over tanks and handouts. Could build a lot of fire stations and fire trucks, flood barriers, whatever. Government infrastructure projects will never ever make the majority happy, as you get the 'why is this not in my backyard first' crowd. I just think its the best bang for your buck and in 10, 20, 50 years it's still there.
Perth-Bunbury wouldn't work, can't smoke meth on the train.
I must admit I would prefer atm that money was spent on weapons and self defence.Let me ask this question. What would stop me getting in my car and driving a couple of hours to Bunbury, as opposed to hopping on a fast train even if it was faster?
The answer is the connections at the other end... even getting to the terminus at the Perth end.
How do I get around Bunbury once I alight at the other end?
it would seem to me that are fast train link would be completly contingent upon a comprehensive and *safe public transport system at the other end.
Does that exist, can it exist within the confines of the current paradigm?
I think not.
Therefore, there is not just the cost of the fast link between centres, but also the distribution systems at each end.
That is an additional cost which I do not think the bureaucrats are taking into account in toto.
we do suffer The tyranny of distance in Australia which affect the economics of any such schemes. IMNTCHO
Can you think of any ex Lib ministers lobbying for arms makers?Labor vote and you'll get a high speed train from Sydney to Melbourne. Yes, all the contracts will be awarded to corrupt bikie/union associates of labor but at least we'll get something useful. Vote for libs and we'll end up with tanks? This is complete corruption. We do not need tanks. Who are we defending ourselves from? They'll probably be used to kill our own citizens before killing any foreign army.
Amazing that people still support a republic with these degenerates running our government. Terrible idea... let's add even more of these pigs... I'd gladly replace all of them with Will and Kate. And Andrew would fit right in with the Hillsong liberals and nationals.
Fernely would be a better choice, even if it is to only enable someone to answer in the affirmative when one poses the question " Is there a Doctor in the House?".Scott Morrison and former prime minister John Howard have endorsed different candidates for the vital marginal seat of Dobell, as members of the NSW Liberal Party express their concern about the threat of ongoing preselection delays to their ability to retain government.
With no candidates selected in 10 critical NSW seats, Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells offered a stark warning, saying the party’s ability to contest the next election was in jeopardy unless immediate action was taken to select candidates.
A rare, glowing endorsement written by Mr Howard for St Vincent’s Hospital cardiologist Michael Feneley labels him an “outstanding person” and an “ideal candidate”.
Penned to NSW state executive director Chris Stone in August, Mr Howard said: “I strong support Professor Michael Feneley’s bid to receive Liberal Party endorsement.
“The Liberal Party is in need of candidates who have achieved esteem and success in the real world. Professor Feneley certainly falls into this category”.
The endorsement comes despite the Prime Minister’s backing for businesswomen and Pentecostal preacher Jemima Gleeson. Held by Labor’s Emma McBride on a razor-thin 1.5 per cent margin, Dobell is one of several marginal seats likely to prove critical to the Coalition’s chances of retaining government at the next election.
Why the Libs are in trouble.. Howard is right of course, but merit will lose out to the feminist and old mates vote.The only way Scomo will support a VFT is if it is run by someone from Hillsong.
Morrison has gone against one of the liberals revered elders, ex Pm Howard in his backing of a candidate for the seat of Dobell.
Fernely would be a better choice, even if it is to only enable someone to answer in the affirmative when one poses the question " Is there a Doctor in the House?".
Mick
Mick
One shouldn't vote for idiots at all, and by rights that should count out both the LNP and Lab/Green axis.Why the Libs are in trouble.. Howard is right of course, but merit will lose out to the feminist and old mates vote.
Why would you vote for these idiots ?
If the Independents controlling the country are the Greens and the United Australia Party, then that will be worse.One shouldn't vote for idiots at all, and by rights that should count out both the LNP and Lab/Green axis.
But of course most people will continue to vote for one lot of idiots for the other.
Our only hope as a nation is for some of the minors to have a strong showing, at least in the Senate.
Otherwise, I feel we are absolutely farked as a liberal democracy.
If you notice I did include the Greens in my cabal of idiots.If the Independents controlling the country are the Greens and the United Australia Party, then that will be worse.
It is also every Australian's right to spoil their vote.One shouldn't vote for idiots at all, and by rights that should count out both the LNP and Lab/Green axis.
But of course most people will continue to vote for one lot of idiots for the other.
Our only hope as a nation is for some of the minors to have a strong showing, at least in the Senate.
Otherwise, I feel we are absolutely farked as a liberal democracy.
True.It is also every Australian's right to spoil their vote.
Voting for none of the useless idiots.
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A useless idiot is as bad as a useful idiot.True.
But that does take away one small opportunity to check the current totalitarian @ssholes.
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