The Science Thread

[Tisme]

I think most people that say they had a flu injection but still got the flu, didn't really get the flu.

The "flu" is one of those terms that gets used for pretty much any sickness people get that has a runny nose of cough as a symptom.

Both my Mum and dad and my father in law have both told me they are angry because they got sick even though they had a flu injection, but I don't even think they had the influenza virus.

Yes everyone who gets a cold insists it is the flu. I had the flu once and it knocked me out, in bed for a week.

I had a flu shot Monday a few days back and this morning I woke up with the sweats and a head feeling like an allergy in play, stinging eyes, saltwater nose and generally s4it..... I must be getting a reaction to the choice of politicians.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think most people that say they had a flu injection but still got the flu, didn't really get the flu.

The "flu" is one of those terms that gets used for pretty much any sickness people get that has a runny nose of cough as a symptom.

Both my Mum and dad and my father in law have both told me they are angry because they got sick even though they had a flu injection, but I don't even think they had the influenza virus.

Hard to tell the difference, since a normal cold and the flu have similar symptoms.

Also it's possible that they did pick up the "flu" or a cold at the doctors office when they got the shots, the flu shots take about a week to give protection.

 

[Value Collector]

Hard to tell the difference, since a normal cold and the flu have similar symptoms.

Also it's possible that they did pick up the "flu" or a cold at the doctors office when they got the shots, the flu shots take about a week to give protection.

Yeah, except the real flu generally makes you feel like you are about to die, where as colds etc tend to be more towards the annoying side of the scale.

 

[SirRumpole]

Amazing how cats get around.


Cat tracking program makes owners re-think pets' behaviour and how they manage their moggies


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...m-makes-owners-re-think-pet-behaviour/7431248

 

[Tink]

Since this is a Science thread, this belongs in here -

Orderly Universe, Orderly Site.

1. Science cannot answer the questions of ultimate reality

The creation of space and time at the origin of the universe is an event forever hidden in the deep unobservable past. We are likely to never know, with any objective certainty, what the source of this event was. The same is true of the origin of life, the rise of consciousness, and the basis of free will. While it is entirely normal that we would want conclusive answers to these great questions, what we are actually left with is simply existence as we find it. From that, we can pursue discoveries with passion, and hope to have the wisdom to understand what the universe is telling us.

Consequently, the constant implication (by many popularizers of science) that science has answered these questions (or is on the verge of answering these questions) is unethical and cavalier with regard to the evidence. The impetus for this cavalier conduct is highly questionable, particularly given the fact that the output of this conduct isn’t an advancement on a cure for cancer or cleaner air over our cities – which are the actual hopes and dreams of the public who pays for science – but is most often social, political, and even legal in nature.

As it turns out, the greatest consequence of these questions is how we as groups and individuals choose to treat each other. This fact only underscores the necessity that we understand the limits of our knowledge, and call upon ourselves to respect rationality and intellectual freedom among all people.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=27938&page=70&p=895741&viewfull=1#post895741

 

[noco]

Hard to tell the difference, since a normal cold and the flu have similar symptoms.

Also it's possible that they did pick up the "flu" or a cold at the doctors office when they got the shots, the flu shots take about a week to give protection.

IMHO, I believe the flu is an extension of a cold to a chest infection......Both normally start off with a sore throat, the cold breaks and then can develop further to the chest.

That level teaspoon of cinnamon every day is the answer and more reliable than flu injections.

For those who suffer a sore throat I recommend a mug full of grape fruit juice, 1/2 teaspoon of cayenne pepper and 1/2 bush honey......Gargle with the mixture every hour on the hour for 6 hours....do not swallow the mixture....Sore throat should be gone in 6 hours.

 

[Smurf1976]

I think most people that say they had a flu injection but still got the flu, didn't really get the flu.

Common cold = runny nose, cough etc.

Flu = painful joints and lying flat on your back for a week.

Zero chance you're going to work, school or wherever if you've actually got flu. You'll be lying in bed the whole time or in my case I found lying on the floor was actually more comfortable. Gets boring after a few days of that.

 

[noco]

Common cold = runny nose, cough etc.

Flu = painful joints and lying flat on your back for a week.

Zero chance you're going to work, school or wherever if you've actually got flu. You'll be lying in bed the whole time or in my case I found lying on the floor was actually more comfortable. Gets boring after a few days of that.

I have forgotten what all that is like now as it has been 3 years.

 

[SirRumpole]

I have forgotten what all that is like now as it has been 3 years.

I haven't had flu, or even a cold for about 4 years. The only times I have got them is when I visited Melbourne or Sydney.

As I'm retired and live in a rural area I don't come into contact with a lot of people. That obviously helps avoid transmission.

Fingers crossed that I haven't jinxed myself.

 

[noco]

I haven't had flu, or even a cold for about 4 years. The only times I have got them is when I visited Melbourne or Sydney.

As I'm retired and live in a rural area I don't come into contact with a lot of people. That obviously helps avoid transmission.

Fingers crossed that I haven't jinxed myself.

What ever works...don't stop.

Ya gotta watch those city slingers.....They can be very dangerous.

 

[pixel]

Common cold = runny nose, cough etc.

Flu = painful joints and lying flat on your back for a week.

Zero chance you're going to work, school or wherever if you've actually got flu. You'll be lying in bed the whole time or in my case I found lying on the floor was actually more comfortable. Gets boring after a few days of that.

That would be what women call "The Man-Flu".

 

[macca]

IMHO, I believe the flu is an extension of a cold to a chest infection......Both normally start off with a sore throat, the cold breaks and then can develop further to the chest.

That level teaspoon of cinnamon every day is the answer and more reliable than flu injections.

For those who suffer a sore throat I recommend a mug full of grape fruit juice, 1/2 teaspoon of cayenne pepper and 1/2 bush honey......Gargle with the mixture every hour on the hour for 6 hours....do not swallow the mixture....Sore throat should be gone in 6 hours.

Sounds OK but when travelling it is rather difficult, when I am out and about I take with me a small spritzer bottle with professionally made colloidal silver water in it.

Lots of contact with many different people can lead to all sorts of bugs being in the air, if my throat feels a bit rough I simply open my yap and spray inside it and down my throat a few times. A mouthful of water to wash it down and I have really noticed how rarely I get the tour bus bug.

I also found that my grandkids are very keen to share the latest bug doing the rounds at their school so after a visit I give myself a few squirts and I no longer get the latest gastro bug from my grandkids

 

[Value Collector]

1. Science cannot answer the questions of ultimate reality
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Thats a big claim, how do you know that?

It's seems silly to make claims like that, I mean 100years ago you might have said "science can't put a man on the moon" but the fact is science can in fact put a man on the moon, so that claim was false, the fact that something hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean the thing can't be done.

Science has unlocked so much more knowledge about the the origins of human life and the universe than any religious text has, offcourse there is still things we don't know, but the answer to that is more science, not more fairy tales.

 

[Value Collector]

Common cold = runny nose, cough etc.

Flu = painful joints and lying flat on your back for a week.

Zero chance you're going to work, school or wherever if you've actually got flu. You'll be lying in bed the whole time or in my case I found lying on the floor was actually more comfortable. Gets boring after a few days of that.

Yeah, and it's not "the flu" unless it's caused by the influenza virus, so even if you have those symptoms, it doesn't mean you should self diagnose it as the flu, and then claim the injection didn't work.

The flu shot protects you from the influenza virus, not all the other stuff.

 

[SirRumpole]

You wouldn't think this would happen to young and fit people. I haven't heard of it happening before, but as Aussies were involved...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-22/australian-who-died-on-everest-is-identified/7435228

 

[SirRumpole]

Mars to appear at its biggest, brightest tonight as planet moves into opposition

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...e-biggest,-brightest-in-over-a-decade/7435276

 

[luutzu]

Mars to appear at its biggest, brightest tonight as planet moves into opposition

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...e-biggest,-brightest-in-over-a-decade/7435276

Bright moon the other night and so I stepped outside. Looked up and see a new bright "star" that weren't there before so thought cool... will check it out soon... then can't be asked. It'll still be there next time right?

 

[Craton]

Sounds OK but when travelling it is rather difficult, when I am out and about I take with me a small spritzer bottle with professionally made colloidal silver water in it.

Lots of contact with many different people can lead to all sorts of bugs being in the air, if my throat feels a bit rough I simply open my yap and spray inside it and down my throat a few times. A mouthful of water to wash it down and I have really noticed how rarely I get the tour bus bug.

I also found that my grandkids are very keen to share the latest bug doing the rounds at their school so after a visit I give myself a few squirts and I no longer get the latest gastro bug from my grandkids

Yep, it works real well I reckon macca. Might be the only way to combat the so-called "super bugs" going forward.

When my then infant daughter was a burns victim (she fell hands first into the dying embers of an o/night camp fire), her burns were treated with a silver salve, Silvadene I think it was called, and I wondered back then of the healing properties of silver.

Interestingly, the term "blue blood" stems from the days of yore when the aristocracy ate and drank from silverware, too much silver in the body can turn the skin blue. I'm lead to believe they were less prone to sickness as well.

Smurfs? Why the skin turns blue.

Enthusiasts of colloidal silver believe the metal's antibacterial properties will keep them from getting sick. There's no proof it works, but there is proof that taking too much can leave people permanently blue.

To find out how that happens, Hurt's team added silver to chemical mixtures to mimic the conditions in the human stomach and intestines, and also created a mock-up of human skin tissue.

The team found that stomach acid strips silver atoms of one electron (electrons have a negative charge), making a positively charged silver ion, or salt. The silver ion then seeps into the bloodstream through channels normally only used by other salts. From the bloodstream, the salts wind up in the skin.

When light hits the skin, electrons from the surrounding area immediately bond to the silver ions, turning them back into silver atoms. The chemical conversion results in darker particles, and the skin turns blue. The same chemical reaction is used to develop black-and-white prints.

Toxicity: How much silver is too much?

Having used colloidal silver and will do so again if the need arises. E.g. When I was a dog owner, everytime I changed the dog's drinking water, I'd place a teaspoon or two into the dog's water containers to stop algae/mould forming. As soon as I stopped using the colloidal silver, algae/mould would start forming within a few weeks.

Using a small mouthful as a mouth wash, I've had great results.

As a side note re. colloidals, among other things colloidal gold can be used for tumor detection and gene therapy.

 

[Tisme]

Yep, it works real well I reckon macca. Might be the only way to combat the so-called "super bugs" going forward.

When my then infant daughter was a burns victim (she fell hands first into the dying embers of an o/night camp fire), her burns were treated with a silver salve, Silvadene I think it was called, and I wondered back then of the healing properties of silver.

Interestingly, the term "blue blood" stems from the days of yore when the aristocracy ate and drank from silverware, too much silver in the body can turn the skin blue. I'm lead to believe they were less prone to sickness as well.

Smurfs? Why the skin turns blue.


Toxicity: How much silver is too much?

Having used colloidal silver and will do so again if the need arises. E.g. When I was a dog owner, everytime I changed the dog's drinking water, I'd place a teaspoon or two into the dog's water containers to stop algae/mould forming. As soon as I stopped using the colloidal silver, algae/mould would start forming within a few weeks.

Using a small mouthful as a mouth wash, I've had great results.

As a side note re. colloidals, among other things colloidal gold can be used for tumor detection and gene therapy.

Silver also used on cooling towers when client can afford it

 

[Value Collector]

Bright moon the other night and so I stepped outside. Looked up and see a new bright "star" that weren't there before so thought cool... will check it out soon... then can't be asked. It'll still be there next time right?

The brightest "Stars" are pretty much always planets, there are a few bright stars but the first to start appearing at sun down are normally planets. you should be able to see mars and Saturn above the moon tonight.

I love it when you can catch a satellite, normally you don't have to wait more than 15mins or so within 2 hours of the sun set and you will see what looks like a faint star gliding across the sky, if you catch the space station it is very bright.

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Actually the space station in visible from Sydney at 5.36 this afternoon. here is its schedule.


https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/view.cfm?country=Australia&region=New_South_Wales&city=Sydney#.V0KkNI9OLIU


and here is its current position.

http://www.isstracker.com/