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Tantalisingly close': is solar thermal energy ready to replace coal-fired power?
Australian projects are viable already – now the industry needs investors willing to take a risk on large-scale renewable energy
David Sparkes
Friday 13 May 2016 10.09 AEST
Last modified on Friday 13 May 2016 16.53 AEST
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Companies working on large-scale solar thermal projects in Australia say they are tantalisingly close to achieving the dream of building plants big enough to replace coal-fired energy in Australia.
Experts speaking at the Australian Solar Energy Exhibition and Conference in Melbourne last week said the technology had been proven in other countries, and projects in Australia were viable, but the challenge was getting major investors to gamble on something new.
James Fisher, the chief technology officer of Australian solar energy company Vast Solar, said solar thermal energy had been the “poor cousin” to photovoltaic solar panels for some years, but that may finally be changing.
“We’ve got a whole lot of coal-fired power stations that largely are 30-plus years old and many of them are going to retire naturally,” he said.
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“[Concentrated solar power] CSP is basically a complete coal-fired power replacement.
“We can act as base-load [power], we can run 24/7 if that is what is needed and we have all the benefits that a coal plant offers to the grid.”
.....“Once you’ve got the first plant built, then it comes to a different sort of [investor] and there is huge amounts of money out there looking for infrastructure investments that are giving a return over a 30-year plant life.
“There is no shortage of funds once you prove the technology,” he said.
Interesting see how close we are to cost effective solar thermal power plants.
These plants operate 24/7 and would have similar output to current coal fired plants but without the coal or the pollution.
http://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...rmal-energy-ready-to-replace-coal-fired-power
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That's the problem basilio, sending silly erroneous statements, to somehow baffle the gullible.
The statement, these plants generate 24/7 is a ridiculous statement, they operate when there is solar generation and have limited storage.
If it is an overcast day, they do sod all.
You may be better served reading reality, rather than making it up as you go along. We all want renewable to work, it is just most of us have a realistic appreciation of the difficulties.
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/wor...ge-plant-to-begin-generation-this-month-22860
Molten salt storage
The 150 MW Andasol solar power station is a commercial parabolic trough solar thermal power plant, located in Spain. The Andasol plant uses tanks of molten salt to store solar energy so that it can continue generating electricity even when the sun isn't shining.[56]
A variety of fluids have been tested to transport the sun's heat, including water, air, oil, and sodium, but Rockwell International[57] selected molten salt as best.[58] Molten salt is used in solar power tower systems because it is liquid at atmospheric pressure, provides a low-cost medium to store thermal energy, its operating temperatures are compatible with today's steam turbines, and it is non-flammable and nontoxic. Molten salt is used in the chemical and metals industries to transport heat, so industry has experience with it.
The first commercial molten salt mixture was a common form of saltpeter, 60% sodium nitrate and 40% potassium nitrate. Saltpeter melts at 220 °C (430 °F) and is kept liquid at 290 °C (550 °F) in an insulated storage tank. Calcium nitrate can reduce the melting point to 131 °C, permitting more energy to be extracted before the salt freezes. There are now several technical calcium nitrate grades stable at more than 500 °C.
This solar power system can generate power in cloudy weather or at night using the heat in the tank of hot salt. The tanks are insulated, able to store heat for a week. Tanks that power a 100-megawatt turbine for four hours would be about 9 m (30 ft) tall and 24 m (80 ft) in diameter.
The Andasol power plant in Spain is the first commercial solar thermal power plant using molten salt for heat storage and nighttime generation. It came on line March 2009.[59] On July 4, 2011, a company in Spain celebrated an historic moment for the solar industry: Torresol’s 19.9 MW concentrating solar power plant became the first ever to generate uninterrupted electricity for 24 hours straight, using a molten salt heat storage.[60]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy
Your problem SP is you don't actually read the articles. Solar Thermal power stations do store energy in molten salt tanks for night time use. That's why they are seen as potential replacements for base load power stations
They do operate overseas. They may not yet be perfected. But they are not imaginary or ridiculous. Do your research. The article you quoted was excellent and realistic. Did you read it ?
Maybe we are that bored, that we are re hashing old threads.
I just re read the first few pages of "The future of energy generation and storage".
Seems to me we are just recycling.
Well then let's amp it up and talk inquisitive science rather than boring partisan science:
eg 1
http://www.domain.com.au/news/googl...ink-widget&utm_campaign=c-all-alwayson_nonffx
eg 2
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...rth's-spin-axis-shifted-by-melting-ice-sheets
Want to build a moon base? Easy. Just print it
https://theconversation.com/want-to-build-a-moon-base-easy-just-print-it-59070
Had a chance some weeks ago to look at the full moon with the best telescope (from ToysRus)... and wow! Never seen anything like it. You could actually see the sides of the craters along the circumference (I guess you call it that) of the moon...
Then there's our own Sun - the size of a literal pixel compare to the largest sun we've managed to identified being a 20c coin. And I heard that our tech has only managed to "see" some 4% of the universe.
Had a chance some weeks ago to look at the full moon with the best telescope (from ToysRus)... and wow! Never seen anything like it. You could actually see the sides of the craters along the circumference (I guess you call it that) of the moon...
I never realised honey was high in sugar. I'll probably have to cut down before I get too big to fit through the door.
cool.
Now, are Capilano's Capilano-branded honey more, or just as, effective as Allowie's honey at this?
Manuka's better you say?
Thought we'd make it a trifecta at picking on VC day.
My folks use and recommend garlic pickled in honey. Tastes barely tolerable, but you'd get used to it long before the high blood sugar would kill you.
Lol, what did you think it was made of?
I wouldn't worry about sugar, your brain won't function without it, as long as your total calories are in balance you will be fine.
You have a bunch of people trying to avoid carbs, and others trying to avoid fats, I reckon you shouldn't avoid either, just don't over eat (or drink) calories.
I find a squirt of honey on my weet bix is a great energy kick in the morning.
You should definitely by the capilano active 10+ manuka rather than the allowrie (that creates the healthiest profit margins)
As far as allowrie vs regular capilano, probably just pick the one that suits your taste.
Here are some details of the difference between cane sugar and honey.
http://foodwatch.com.au/blog/carbs-sugars-and-fibres/item/honey-is-it-healthier-than-sugar.html
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