The Media

[SirRumpole]

Yea, but it was the PM who really shafted him and ended his career.

"Of course, I'm bitterly disappointed at two levels – [Scott Morrison] failed to give due process, failed to obtain details of these accusations, looked me in the eye and said that there wasn't a problem and within a day had done a press conference calling me disgraceful," he said.

Former MP Andrew Laming welcomes apology over 'lewd photo' story, criticises Morrison's handling

Former Bowman MP Andrew Laming welcomes an unreserved apology from Nine after he sued the broadcaster for defamation over an award-winning television report aired last year.

www.abc.net.au

Personally, if I took a picture of a girl bending over while stacking a fridge at work, I wouldn't be too popular.

Well in that case, Lamming should sue Morrison also.

 

[mullokintyre]

Unfortunately, this incident has little to do with the defamation case.
Laming was accused of online trolling two women in his electorate, and was forced to apologise and go to womens remediation classes.
According to Laming, Scomo shafted him at the press conference after assuring him he had no case to answer.
Laming later withdrew the apologies and came out all guns blazing when the upskirt issue popped up.
Laming suggested in press conference that this whole saga was started by political opponents.
We will probably never know whether the political opponents included the two women.
One thing that has surprised me is that despite all the publicity, the actual photo taken has never surfaced.
Messy, and as usual, there is more to the saga than meets they eye.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

Messy, and as usual, there is more to the saga than meets they eye.
Mick

The Government was flipped, Scomo is gone for all intents and purposes, so the media is happy until the next saga they want to brew up. Which due to the Queen passing away, is a toss up between the voice to parliament, or the republic.
Time will tell, but at the moment the media don't seem to have a target or a person, they have singled out for their undivided attention.
Serena has retired, so that takes the heat off Margaret Court, the Libs have been kicked that far into touch, they lack the front page punch and Albo is saying all the right things so they seem to be a bit lost for a headline.
Once Elizabeth is buried and Harry and Megan have gone home, the media will be at a loose end, so then we should get an indication of the next victim I mean story.

 

[Knobby22]

Unfortunately, this incident has little to do with the defamation case.
Laming was accused of online trolling two women in his electorate, and was forced to apologise and go to womens remediation classes.
According to Laming, Scomo shafted him at the press conference after assuring him he had no case to answer.
Laming later withdrew the apologies and came out all guns blazing when the upskirt issue popped up.
Laming suggested in press conference that this whole saga was started by political opponents.
We will probably never know whether the political opponents included the two women.
One thing that has surprised me is that despite all the publicity, the actual photo taken has never surfaced.
Messy, and as usual, there is more to the saga than meets they eye.
Mick

Well he got caught taking the photo, so of course it wasn't provided to the media.
He never planned to post if on social media anyway, it was for his private convenience.

 

[mullokintyre]

Well he got caught taking the photo, so of course it wasn't provided to the media.
He never planned to post if on social media anyway, it was for his private convenience.

That's an interesting take Knobby.
You have any evidence for that, or just a gut feel?
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

That's an interesting take Knobby.
You have any evidence for that, or just a gut feel?
Mick

Well why would you post a photo like that Mullokintyre? Particularly as a politician?

It wasn't upskirting so Nine went too far and has had to pay up.

 

[mullokintyre]

Photo like what?

Well why would you post a photo like that Mullokintyre? Particularly as a politician?

It wasn't upskirting so Nine went too far and has had to pay up.

Photo like what?
According to the media the photo showed the girl kneeling filling a fridge with cans and the top of her undies were showing.
We don't know how much was showing, we don't know if the said undies were the centre of the shot, or if they were peripheral.
Laming took the photo in full few of quite a few people, not the sort of shot you are going to ferret away to wank over .
You are drawing the same conclusions that got all the others in trouble without any sort of proof to back it up.
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

Photo like what?

Photo like what?
According to the media the photo showed the girl kneeling filling a fridge with cans and the top of her undies were showing.
We don't know how much was showing, we don't know if the said undies were the centre of the shot, or if they were peripheral.
Laming took the photo in full few of quite a few people, not the sort of shot you are going to ferret away to wank over .
You are drawing the same conclusions that got all the others in trouble without any sort of proof to back it up.
Mick

He said he did it as a joke. It's just that the girl and the other people who saw him take the photo didn't think it was funny.

Anyway he is proven innocent as you say and got paid out. He won't struggle and obviously the Nine will learn not to report stuff like this and we can be all good little mushrooms.

 

[SirRumpole]

Is this trial by media ?

Who is Adnan Syed? Why has he been freed? And what is the link to the Serial podcast?

The man whose murder conviction spawned the hit podcast 'Serial' has been released from jail. But who is Adnan Syed? What really happened?

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

Something to think about on the role of the media ? And the reality of our world ?

The Guardian’s climate crisis reporting goes where others fear – or refuse – to tread​

George Monbiot

As most of the media, beholden to those who would uphold the status quo, downplay the most critical issue of all, our mission is to put the environment front and centre

People use a temporary bamboo path near their home in Sindh province, Pakistan. Recent floods ravaged a third of the country and killed 1,500 people. Photograph: Asif Hassan/AFP/Getty Images
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What is salient is not important. What is important is not salient. Most of the time, most of the media obsess over issues of mind-numbing triviality. Much of the world’s political journalism is little more than court gossip: who’s in, who’s out, who said what to whom. At the same time, issues of immense, even existential importance are largely or entirely ignored.

With the exception of all-out nuclear war, all the most important problems that confront us are environmental. None of our hopes, none of our dreams, none of our plans and expectations can survive the loss of a habitable planet. And there is scarcely an Earth system that is not now threatened with collapse.

Let’s begin with the ground beneath our feet. Soil is a biological structure, created by the organisms that inhabit it. When conditions become hostile to their survival, the structure collapses, and fertile lands turn to dust bowls. The global rate of soil degradation is terrifying. We rely on the soil for 95% of our food, yet we treat it like dirt.

Ocean ecosystems are in even greater trouble, hammered by a combination of industrial fishing, pollution, and acidification, as carbon dioxide dissolves into seawater. Forests, rivers, wetlands, savannahs, the cryosphere (the world’s ice and snow) – all are being pushed towards the brink. And above all, climate breakdown is gathering at shocking, unanticipated speed, with disasters occurring at 1.2C of heating that scientists did not expect until we hit 2 or 3C.

Earth is under threat, yet you would scarcely know it | George Monbiot

Unlike most of the media, the Guardian resists political or commercial influence in order to keep the climate crisis front and centre

www.theguardian.com

 

[sptrawler]

The Government was flipped, Scomo is gone for all intents and purposes, so the media is happy until the next saga they want to brew up. Which due to the Queen passing away, is a toss up between the voice to parliament, or the republic.
Time will tell, but at the moment the media don't seem to have a target or a person, they have singled out for their undivided attention.
Serena has retired, so that takes the heat off Margaret Court, the Libs have been kicked that far into touch, they lack the front page punch and Albo is saying all the right things so they seem to be a bit lost for a headline.
Once Elizabeth is buried and Harry and Megan have gone home, the media will be at a loose end, so then we should get an indication of the next victim I mean story.

It looks like it is a toss up at the moment, whether the media are going to gang tackle Lowe from the reserve bank, or Thorburn from the Church, I think Thorburn looks as though he has more legs.

‘We have no problem with anyone’s faith’: Dons boss explains Thorburn call

Ex-bank boss Andrew Thorburn did not declare to Essendon that the church he chaired held views that might be a concern for the Bombers before he was hired as CEO.

www.theage.com.au

Conflicts were too great for Thorburn to keep both jobs

Essendon can rightfully prefer not to be run by someone who is identified with views which conflict with its stated commitments.

www.theage.com.au

Young Australians are furious at the Reserve Bank. They have every right to be

Locked in to a home loan they can’t afford or locked out of buying a house altogether, young people are taking aim at Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe.

www.theage.com.au

 

[mullokintyre]

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Ocean ecosystems are in even greater trouble, hammered by a combination of industrial fishing, pollution, and acidification, as carbon dioxide dissolves into seawater. Forests, rivers, wetlands, savannahs, the cryosphere (the world’s ice and snow) – all are being pushed towards the brink. And above all, climate breakdown is gathering at shocking, unanticipated speed, with disasters occurring at 1.2C of heating that scientists did not expect until we hit 2 or 3C.

Earth is under threat, yet you would scarcely know it | George Monbiot

Unlike most of the media, the Guardian resists political or commercial influence in order to keep the climate crisis front and centre

www.theguardian.com

Unfortunately, this article continues one of the myths about climate change that really drives me nuts.
As any one who did high school chemistry knows, any value of PH over 7 means the solution is basic, a value below 7 is acidic.
According to NOAA ,

In the 200-plus years since the industrial revolution began, the concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has increased due to human actions. During this time, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. The ocean’s average pH is now around 8.1

So if the ocean Ph is 8.1, its basic, not acidic.
The correct term is that it has become less basic.
For the term more acidic to be correct, the ocean would have to be acidic already.
The whole concept of a Ph level for the ocean is an artificial construct that bears no real meaning.
The PH of the ocean can vary from plavce to place, from the extremes of a Ph of 12.6 in some of the ocean vents ( see Geochemical Society) to the bering sea which can record a PH as low as 7.7 in winter. (Scientific American '. Indeed, this same article states

Another anomaly is the Indian Ocean, which is about 10 percent more acidic than the Atlantic or Pacific. The exact reason why is a scientific mystery but perhaps it is because it is the most isolated sea, dominated by monsoon rains and river drainage rather than ocean currents mixing the waters, Takahashi suggests.

Mick

 

[sptrawler]

@mullokintyre and @basilio yet another mystery put forward by the media, showing that a lot of what is reported is assumption.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for scientific funding, it is just a shame that a lot of the funding is proportional to the media driven hysteria behind the said cause.
It wasn't long ago that the reef was done and dusted, it was too late, we couldn't save it.

August 4th 2022

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/04/great-barrier-reef-coral-recovery-climate-change/

Marine scientists have found that parts of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef have recorded their highest levels of coral cover since monitoring began nearly four decades ago, although they warn the reef’s recovery could be swiftly undone by global warming.

The Australian Institute of Marine Science, a government agency, began monitoring Earth’s largest reef system 36 years ago. Its latest report indicates that the northern and central parts of the reef are on the mend after an “extensive bout” of disturbances over the past decade, said Mike Emslie, a senior research scientist at the institute.

The results of the institute’s annual survey show that the reef “is still vibrant and still resilient, and it can bounce back from disturbances if it gets the chance,” Emslie said in an interview Thursday.

UNESCO, the United Nations’ educational, scientific and cultural agency, threatened last year to add the Great Barrier Reef to a list of world heritage sites that are “in danger.” A June meeting to discuss the status of the reef was canceled after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

News of the recovery in the reef’s northern and central parts was partly offset by the report’s finding that there was a loss of coral cover in the southern region. There, the reef fell prey to an outbreak of crown-of-thorns starfish, which feed exclusively on live coral, the scientists said.

Among the 87 reefs surveyed for the latest report, average hard coral cover in the north increased to 36 percent, up from 27 percent in 2021, and to 33 percent in the central Great Barrier Reef from 26 percent last year. Average coral cover in the southern region decreased from 38 percent in 2021 to 34 percent this year.

 

[basilio]

although they warn the reef’s recovery could be swiftly undone by global warming.

I suggest that this was the most salient point from that story SP.

Yep its great that parts of Great Barrier Reef have (seemingly )recovered. But repeated bleachings from extreme water temperatures do weaken and ultimately will destroy the reef.

There was another more nuanced article on the condition of the Great Barrier Reef. Well worth checking out in full IMV

On a remote Australian island, a small patch of reef is as good as scientists have ever seen it

The coral reef at Lizard Island, 270 kilometres north of Cairns, has been hit by four mass bleaching events in six years. Marine biologists are hopeful about its future, but much scepticism remains about its long-term survival.

www.smh.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

I suggest that this was the most salient point from that story SP.

Yep its great that parts of Great Barrier Reef have (seemingly )recovered. But repeated bleachings from extreme water temperatures do weaken and ultimately will destroy the reef.

There was another more nuanced article on the condition of the Great Barrier Reef. Well worth checking out in full IMV

On a remote Australian island, a small patch of reef is as good as scientists have ever seen it

The coral reef at Lizard Island, 270 kilometres north of Cairns, has been hit by four mass bleaching events in six years. Marine biologists are hopeful about its future, but much scepticism remains about its long-term survival.

www.smh.com.au

I think the most salient point, is it is mostly guess work.

 

[moXJO]

I suggest that this was the most salient point from that story SP.

Yep its great that parts of Great Barrier Reef have (seemingly )recovered. But repeated bleachings from extreme water temperatures do weaken and ultimately will destroy the reef.

There was another more nuanced article on the condition of the Great Barrier Reef. Well worth checking out in full IMV

On a remote Australian island, a small patch of reef is as good as scientists have ever seen it

The coral reef at Lizard Island, 270 kilometres north of Cairns, has been hit by four mass bleaching events in six years. Marine biologists are hopeful about its future, but much scepticism remains about its long-term survival.

www.smh.com.au

I was diving a long way out from one of the islands and hit a hot current of water. It was that hot it felt like I was being close to boiled.
Definitely an eye opener.

 

[basilio]

I think the most salient point, is it is mostly guess work.

Whats the "guess work " SP ? That climate change isn't necessarily happening ? That we don't know exactly hot hot it is going to get ? Or that we don't know exactly when ecosystems will break down as a result of the relentless warming ?

I suggest the overwhelming evidence of CC and its effects to date are a bit more than guess work.

 

[sptrawler]

Whats the "guess work " SP ? That climate change isn't necessarily happening ? That we don't know exactly hot hot it is going to get ? Or that we don't know exactly when ecosystems will break down as a result of the relentless warming ?

I suggest the overwhelming evidence of CC and its effects to date are a bit more than guess work.

No, how coral will react to global warming.
We arent talking about global warming we are talking about its effect on the barrier reef.

 

[sptrawler]

Here's the problem with global warming, us.

Topic | Luxury property | The Sydney Morning Herald

The latest Luxury property news, articles and analysis from the The Sydney Morning Herald

www.smh.com.au

 

[basilio]

No, how coral will react to global warming.
We arent talking about global warming we are talking about its effect on the barrier reef.

Indeed we are. And all the evidence to date is quite clear. Increasing water temperatures caused by global warming will inevitably bleach coral reefs to the point they will be unable to recover.

Much the same way in fact as increasing temperatures will destroy land based ecosystems. The effects won't be directly linear. The increasing extremes in temperatures both length and intensity will undermine our systems.

Effects of climate change on ecosystems - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org