wayneL
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I'm farrier in chief for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse bros 
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Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II
The three worked together...
The three worked together...
Knobby22
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Dream on. We are in Australia, not the USA.
Yeah....
We don't have far left or right idiots here. I'm sure it won't happen.
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I think that is what the left try to promote as being the normal, non offensive, non violent left wing fanatic, unfortunately I think that concept disappeared with the flower power people in the 1970's.
The radical left and radical right, have only a banner to separate them these days, the propensity to violence shows on both sides.
Knobby22
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It won't. Australia is completely different.
I live in lefty territory. Adam Bandt is the mp. We have a shop called the kind butcher. They are all rich. Public servants, lawyers, Professors etc. They own ponies.
They consider themselves virtuous for limiting themselves to one investment property.
They want change and will march for black rights etc. but they don't want revolution.
Too much invested
The USA is completely different. Everyone is being screwed in many different ways. People have no reason to want to keep the status quo.
Honestly the most insurection I have seen over the last 10 years is the Nazi group that got closed down (with one guy deciding to shoot it out with the police), the action against farmers by the animal rights crazies and those climate change idiots gluing themselves to the road.
I work on Exhibition St where protests are regularly organised. They are usually lucky to get 50 people.
They don't want to overthrow the government, they want more government.
It's just a paranoid right wing conspiracy wet dream. Not going to happen.
wayneL
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It's actually good comment. The most dangerous people in the world are those who have nothing left to lose, and there are great swaithes of people in the US who have nothing to lose.
Not so much here, our radicals have too much to lose...
...for now.
That could change, but for the moment you are right.
I feel the chink in the armour is house prices. That could possibly alleviate itself, who knows. But I am a strong believer that our monetary / economic system is about to change, so again, who knows?
I'm sorry, but they simply use the people with nothing left to lose.
They are currently stirring up a lot of the black community. I got a first hand look at some of the characters and it's all about political agenda.
In saying that this issue won't bring them the critical mass they want. Let's see how that goes as Covid drags on. We are on the cusp of huge change. We also have the framework of far right and left setups. Just a matter of infecting people with a juicy divisive issue.
People in US Portland are not poor. They infiltrated every level where they are now basically free to cause sht. Its a ridiculous situation.
Its not people with nothing left to lose though.
IFocus
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I agree with Knobby plus we simply don't have the deep divisions driven by aggressive language from most politicians here unlike the US.
Also we still have a middle class of sorts / less police violence - less aggression / guns etc etc.
Also we still have a middle class of sorts / less police violence - less aggression / guns etc etc.
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I'll suggest that steamrolling, which is nothing other than a polite term for bullying (indeed it's the classic way a bully describes themself - "I'm a bit of a steamroller"), is a tactic commonly used by both extremes but rarely seen from those in the middle.
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Where the risk lies is if they lose control of it.
That sort of thing can happen at any level of politics from a workplace union meeting through to a national government. Just needs someone with radical ideas who's good at working the room to get involved and it becomes a possibility that the originals lose control of their own movement.
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As we on here have said before, the indigenous problems in Australia are far more acute in their own communities, than those been inflicted on them by the general community.Where the risk lies is if they lose control of it.
That sort of thing can happen at any level of politics from a workplace union meeting through to a national government. Just needs someone with radical ideas who's good at working the room to get involved and it becomes a possibility that the originals lose control of their own movement.
The protests IMO are undermining the real issues and the organisers are using the pretext to cause social unrest IMO.
I am only speaking for Australia, not the U.S situation, as I have no intimate understanding of the underlying issues there.
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Politicians and political movements generally end up typecast and associated in the minds of the masses with few, sometimes only one, achievement. That is particularly so when looking back many years later.
Bob Hawke - Medicare
Bob Brown - Franklin River
Paul Keating - economic reform and "the recession we had to have"
John Hewson - the GST birthday cake interview
John Howard - gun control
And so on.
If it were me then I'd rather be associated with healthcare, the environment or taxation reform or even "genuinely tried but failed" than with smashing things.
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I think the BLM movement will fade out after a while as the realities of the coronavirus and the associated economic situation settles in.
The unemployment rate is likely to be high for a long time and many businesses will go under. In my view we could be heading for a lot of demos on the subject of living standards , working conditions and wealth distribution that we haven't seen for a long time, but this time the 'workers' have a point as they have suffered stagnant wages, less hours and insecure employment for at least two decades.
It will be interesting to see if Christian Porter and Sally MacMannus are still "besties" , especially after Freidenburgs incredible brain fade on Insiders.
No wonder Josh is keeping his head down.
The unemployment rate is likely to be high for a long time and many businesses will go under. In my view we could be heading for a lot of demos on the subject of living standards , working conditions and wealth distribution that we haven't seen for a long time, but this time the 'workers' have a point as they have suffered stagnant wages, less hours and insecure employment for at least two decades.
It will be interesting to see if Christian Porter and Sally MacMannus are still "besties" , especially after Freidenburgs incredible brain fade on Insiders.
No wonder Josh is keeping his head down.
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It will be interesting to see how it is handled, inflicting pain, while still enjoying popularity takes a certain skill set.
History shows Hawke and Keating had it, they are still regarded highly, despite bringing in de regulation in the financial sector, tarrif reductions and a wage freeze.
I'm not sure that will be an easy act to follow, these days.
I'm not convinced the younger generation, will swallow the changes required, to undue the last 40 years of outsourcing.
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Jacinta Price's comments in early June certainly upset people - especially comments like:
“70 per cent of Aboriginal men and women incarcerated are incarcerated for acts of violence against their loves ones”.
“You don’t care because the perpetrators are also black, people only care if there is seen to be a white perpetrator”.
“It’s not racism that is killing our people, it is the actions of our own people”.
FWIW, I have Indigenous relatives in the Kimberley region and recall hearing them talk about the same problems in the communities 40 years ago. Throwing $ at the problems isn't the answer - it's needed but it needs more than just $$. Help has to come from within to fix it and keep it fixed. And this will take a generation or three.
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Unfortunately weaning people off welfare is never easy, but having people sitting around with nothing to do, just destroys self worth and self esteem.
The best thing to improve a persons self belief and self image, is to give them meaningful work, then they can set goals and dreams.
I know first hand how difficult it is to motivate long term unemployed people, it is hard to explain that work actually gives them a reason to get up in the morning, poor health follows a sedentary lifestyle filled with sitting drinking and arguing it feeds on itself and leads to a dark place IMO.
It is a shame the gas processing plant didn't go ahead in Broome, it would have been a huge employer and provided the fuel for lots of industry up there, it may well have presented the employment hub needed to address the problem. Unfortunately the lunatic left got heavily involved and squashed it.
Today's 'West" has a double page spread on the same subject, youtube has heaps of content, it is communal entertainment sadly.
https://thewest.com.au/news/regiona...-aboriginal-community-of-balgo-ng-b881622018z
People forget the rightwing mass killer that use to post here.
Also funds flowing in supporting groups that cause disruption. Enough said.
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I'm not opposed to their claimed objectives, racism etc is something we'd all be better off without.
It's just their idea of how to achieve it I'm not keen on. Destruction and violence isn't the place to start. Peaceful ways forward should always be the aim.
