The future of energy generation and storage

[SirRumpole]

Double red flag as soon as the word "community" is mentioned. I've seen enough debates to know where that one goes. About the last people to accept the wishes of the community are the Greens - they're firmly in the category of yes means yes, no means yes when it comes to that one. Either the community agrees with what they want or they'll force it anyway.

Haha very true.

If we have to have blackouts in the future I would like the first "communities" hit to be those that objected to new generation or transmission projects in their area, like Port Stephens or in the Burdekin hydro area, or maybe some of the TEAL seats.

Mendacious thinking I suppose, but some people live in a fairy land if they think we can have any form of power without the downsides.

 

[qldfrog]

Haha very true.

If we have to have blackouts in the future I would like the first "communities" hit to be those that objected to new generation or transmission projects in their area, like Port Stephens or in the Burdekin hydro area, or maybe some of the TEAL seats.

Mendacious thinking I suppose, but some people live in a fairy land if they think we can have any form of power without the downsides.

The inner city green electorates are always the last to be cut

 

[qldfrog]

Note about hydro:
If you like nature and are a green person, but not a watermelon, hydro creates reservoirs which are haven of wildlife , increasing local biodiversity.
sure a 5m wide stream might be going under but waterfowl, frogs and reptiles, bigger fish will come.
It is funny how it is one sided by opposition, whereas i am still to see any biodiversity in glyphosate sprayed solar farm deserts, nor much wildlife nesting in wind turbines

 

[SirRumpole]

Note about hydro:
If you like nature and are a green person, but not a watermelon, hydro creates reservoirs which are haven of wildlife , increasing local biodiversity.
sure a 5m wide stream might be going under but waterfowl, frogs and reptiles, bigger fish will come.
It is funny how it is one sided by opposition, whereas i am still to see any biodiversity in glyphosate sprayed solar farm deserts, nor much wildlife nesting in wind turbines

Yes, I think hydro has more environmental upsides than a lot of other 'green' technology.

Water that could be used for other purposes as well, although I accept that things might get tricky for multi-use dams when one group want water to irrigate crops and another wants it for electricity. There needs to be strict rules and observance thereof.

 

[Smurf1976]

The inner city green electorates are always the last to be cut

In SA the load shedding list is public whereas in most places it's strictly confidential.

In short if you're not in the actual CBD and you're not critical infrastructure of some sort (eg sewage treatment, hospitals,) then you're on the list. There's an order to it but it's not a hierarchical one, it's simply an endless loop list - next time it starts wherever it finished last time, so over enough incidents everyone gets the same level of disruption.

Noting that some arrangements do exist with critical infrastructure operators to voluntarily cut load where required and it's practical to do so. Eg can't turn the water pumps off forever, but depending on circumstances they may well be able to turn them off for an hour or two without consequence.

SA list is here: https://www.energymining.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/852827/Manual-load-shedding-list.pdf

For those unfamiliar, the vast majority of names there are suburb and town names and the rest are specific businesses or other feeders.

Should load shedding be necessary, it'll resume where it last ended, so next on the list are Woodville Gardens and Wingfield (refer page 7).

Note this assumes planned manual load shedding. Obviously it doesn't apply if a specific network or other failure blacks out a particular area. It's only for intentional load shedding to reduce total system load.

Most places releasing the list would be a career ending event at best, prison at worst. In SA it's publicly available to anyone.