Double red flag as soon as the word "community" is mentioned. I've seen enough debates to know where that one goes. About the last people to accept the wishes of the community are the Greens - they're firmly in the category of yes means yes, no means yes when it comes to that one. Either the community agrees with what they want or they'll force it anyway.
The inner city green electorates are always the last to be cutHaha very true.
If we have to have blackouts in the future I would like the first "communities" hit to be those that objected to new generation or transmission projects in their area, like Port Stephens or in the Burdekin hydro area, or maybe some of the TEAL seats.
Mendacious thinking I suppose, but some people live in a fairy land if they think we can have any form of power without the downsides.
Yes, I think hydro has more environmental upsides than a lot of other 'green' technology.Note about hydro:
If you like nature and are a green person, but not a watermelon, hydro creates reservoirs which are haven of wildlife , increasing local biodiversity.
sure a 5m wide stream might be going under but waterfowl, frogs and reptiles, bigger fish will come.
It is funny how it is one sided by opposition, whereas i am still to see any biodiversity in glyphosate sprayed solar farm deserts, nor much wildlife nesting in wind turbines
In SA the load shedding list is public whereas in most places it's strictly confidential.The inner city green electorates are always the last to be cut
That also may support turning a lot of Tassie dams into pumped hydro installations, as the cropping etc may not be a big issue, @Smurf1976 may have some insight into the prospect of pumped hydro in Tassies existing dam network.Yes, I think hydro has more environmental upsides than a lot of other 'green' technology.
Water that could be used for other purposes as well, although I accept that things might get tricky for multi-use dams when one group want water to irrigate crops and another wants it for electricity. There needs to be strict rules and observance thereof.
I would think that if the dams had been built without hydro then there would have been an alternative use for them, eg water supply to towns, agriculture or flood mitigation, so the introduction of hydro may affect those other operations, but it would be interesting to know if there are possibilities for hydro at those dams.That also may support turning a lot of Tassie dams into pumped hydro installations, as the cropping etc may not be a big issue, @Smurf1976 may have some insight into the prospect of pumped hydro in Tassies existing dam network.
Well let's go through all the options.An excellent discussion on the costs of nuclear power.
once you start fromrubbish science with co2 causing climate change, there is no limit as to how much corruption you can do, you can twist any data as you want;Well let's go through all the options.
10 reasons why hydropower dams are a false climate solution - International Rivers
Originally published in Alternet by Josh Klemm and Eugene Simonov Not only does hydroelectric power fail to prevent catastrophic climate change, but it also renders countries more vulnerable to climate change while emitting significant amounts of methane, one of the worst greenhouse gases. A...www.internationalrivers.org
Exported gas produces far worse emissions than coal, major study finds
Research challenges idea that sending liquefied natural gas around the world is cleaner alternative to burning coalwww.theguardian.com
Gas industry in damage control as landmark study finds LNG 'worse than coal' for the climate
For years, the mantra from the industry has been that gas is a bridge between coal and renewable energy. A landmark study has sensationally challenged that idea.www.abc.net.au
That's true, I don't know why people keep going on about cost, when they are spending $300billion on submarines, cost really should be the last thing brought into the equation.once you start fromrubbish science with co2 causing climate change, there is no limit as to how much corruption you can do, you can twist any data as you want;
What is the co2 cost of keeping nuclear waste in a pool refrigerated for the next 10 thousand years? no typo here;
Unless we believe that the hot swimming pool is a plus in winter?
Please bring figure,
Is a solar panel built in China using mostly coal energy from minerals extracted with fossil fuel,
then carried into Australia using trucks, dirty fuel ships and installed by a tradie in a Ford ranger on a roof top, at most fully efficient for 15y max, ever able to recoup its CO2 cost?
Genuine questions and if you get an answer, it might not follow the narrative but hey.
And I do not even want to consider wind farms setup offshore.
Simply if reducing co2 per kwh is the aim, we should at the very least not discard working setup to replace them with higher co2 per kwh , wether untested or not working solutions.That's true, I don't know why people keep going on about cost, when they are spending $300billion on submarines, cost really should be the last thing brought into the equation.
What works is the most important part, that needs to be sorted first,
A cheap non working solutions is an expensive one indeed, and when it isn't cheap in the first placeThat's true, I don't know why people keep going on about cost, when they are spending $300billion on submarines, cost really should be the last thing brought into the equation.
What works is the most important part, that needs to be sorted first,
We gave 1.5 billion to Ukraine in the last few years so money is no problem for our mastersThat's true, I don't know why people keep going on about cost, when they are spending $300billion on submarines, cost really should be the last thing brought into the equation.
What works is the most important part, that needs to be sorted first,
What works best at the cheapest cost.What works is the most important part, that needs to be sorted first,
That isn't always the best way, as you know, life tells you that over and over again. If your statement was true there would never be any expensive tools sold, everyone would be driving Chinese cars and trucks.What works best at the cheapest cost.
Whouda thunk it eh?Well who wouda guessed @SirRumpole ,they needed an investigation to work this out.
Power findings show ‘failure of privatisation’: SA energy minister
Minister Tom Koutsantonis says the behaviour of large power generators reported by the Australian Energy Regulator is “extremely concerning”.www.afr.com
The Australian Energy Regulator’s findings that large power generators may be artificially pushing up prices for consumers at peak periods represents a failure of the privatisation of the sector, South Australian Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis says.
Mr Koutsantonis pointed to the AER’s report, released on Friday, which examined five instances where one electricity supplier increased the bid price of its capacity with the aim of increasing revenue and inflating its returns.
Not having a go personally but it's pretty much a given that anything from an anti-hydro organisation is going to argue that hydro isn't good. And it's not likely the Guardian are going to say anything positive about gas (or hydro or nuclear).Choose your poison.
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