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The High Court delivers justice, but the federal government has no say in its decisions, just as it has no say in ARENA's funding grants.As it should be.
If ARENA is distributing taxpayers money to assist companies develop hydrogen projects, it is Federal Government funding of those projects.
The Feds still fund it.The High Court delivers justice, but the federal government has no say in its decisions, just as it has no say in ARENA's funding grants.
ARENA screams for greater funding but is continually thwarted and confused.
My point continues to be that the federal government lacks policy to move us beyond an aspiration - as in the 2019 Hydrogen strategy - to commitment.
Until the weekend Scomo couldn't tell us the government was going to commit to net zero by 2050. Maybe that will now influence AEMO's direction as its scenario settings can be narrowed considerably and it's advice to Taylor be less scattergun.
The High Court delivers justice, but the federal government has no say in its decisions, just as it has no say in ARENA's funding grants.
ARENA screams for greater funding but is continually thwarted and confused.
My point continues to be that the federal government lacks policy to move us beyond an aspiration - as in the 2019 Hydrogen strategy - to commitment.
Until the weekend Scomo couldn't tell us the government was going to commit to net zero by 2050. Maybe that will now influence AEMO's direction as its scenario settings can be narrowed considerably and it's advice to Taylor be less scattergun.
Jeez you guys I thought you were all about inclusiveness, but when you see the way Dictator Dan works, I guess inclusiveness is only lip service as well.Yep the politics run by the Coalition has been so poisoned that their hands are continually tied, 8 years in power and no policy or only movement when Barnaby says so its bazaar.
Most of the States have actual commitments to develop hydrogen, but the Coalition still has no specific policy.Yep the politics run by the Coalition has been so poisoned that their hands are continually tied, 8 years in power and no policy or only movement when Barnaby says so its bazaar.
That's a bit rich, your post #5270 said:Most of the States have actual commitments to develop hydrogen, but the Coalition still has no specific policy.
Try as @sptrawler might, he has been pained by this raw nerve so has tried to change subject with successive posts.
Oh yes NSW and all their glossy pamphlets, just the same as Victoria has been printing, what's perplexing is that you don't hold yourself to the same standard of fact find, that you apply to others.I thought he might have at least found what NSW is planning as I think its incentivisations are very clever, aside from prioritising the Hunter and Illawarra regions as its hydrogen hubs, thereby mitigating coal industry job losses.
It is perplexing that a coalition-held State has worked out the necessary levers to drive a hydrogen future while its federal counterpart continues to look in the rear vision mirror.
You contorted yourself to claim that funding equalled policies.That's a bit rich, your post #5270 said:
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I commented specifically on hydrogen. Would you like me to send you some Specsavers vouchers.
I've been responding to that statement ever since, now you say I'm trying to change the subject?
Of course funding equates to a form of policy, without the policy they wouldn't allocate the funding, it wouldn't be there.You contorted yourself to claim that funding equalled policies.
Please point to the federal government's specific policy on hydrogen, and not independent agency funding of proposals.
Both NSW and Victoria have detailed their hydrogen plans, clearly mapping out what they intend to achieve, and how.
The tragedy of the States going it alone is that it can lead to costly duplication of effort and integration failures. We should harmonise incentivisations so that States are not competing with each other to attract the necessary industries and attendant infrastructure to commercialise hydrogen.
Once again, I must be missing something here. "Blue Hydrogen is produced from natural gas" , which as we know produces Co2 as a byproduct. Woodside says 100% of the carbon emissions would rebated or offset.W.A to get a $1billion hydrogen plant at Kwinana.
From the article:Split opinions over green credentials of Woodside's new Kwinana hydrogen hub
Gas giant Woodside says a $1 billion hydrogen and ammonia plant will set WA up as a global clean energy powerhouse, as the Conservation Council of WA questions the project's green credentials.www.abc.net.au
Oil and gas giant Woodside has announced plans to build a hydrogen and ammonia production hub on government land south of Perth, sparking debate over the project's green credentials.
While the company and WA Premier Mark McGowan said the $1 billion project, dubbed H2Perth, would position WA as a global clean energy powerhouse, the facility was not going to be entirely 'green'.
Mr McGowan said the facility would be built on about 130 hectares of vacant industrial land, commercially leased from the state government.
Woodside CEO Meg O'Neill said the phased development would, at full potential, produce up to 1500 tonnes of hydrogen per day for export in the form of ammonia and liquid hydrogen.
"The land being leased from the state government in the Kwinana and Rockingham areas is ideally located close to existing gas, power, water and port infrastructure, as well as a skilled local residential workforce," Ms O'Neill said.
"H2Perth is designed to be net-zero emissions for both Woodside and its customers, supporting Woodside's corporate emissions reduction targets and the Paris Agreement goals of customers in the region."
The first phase of the project would produce mostly "blue" hydrogen and around a third "green".
Blue hydrogen is still produced using fossil fuels but the carbon dioxide is captured and stored or offset, while green hydrogen is produced from electrolysis powered by renewable energy.
In this case the hydrogen will be produced from natural gas and Woodside says 100 per cent of the project's carbon emissions would be abated or offset.
The project is partly considered green because it would use electricity generated by renewable energy through the South West Interconnected System, which includes rooftop solar power.
"H2Perth will also facilitate substantial growth of renewables in Western Australia by providing to the grid a flexible and stabilising load that benefits uptake of intermittent renewable electricity by households and local industry," Ms O'Neill said.
Conservation Council of WA (CCWA) Policy and Legal Director Piers Verstegen said the project fell short as it would use gas, which is a fossil fuel.
Grattan Institute energy and climate director Tony Wood said there was nothing wrong with Woodside's staged approach to producing green hydrogen.
He said while the company was starting out using fossil fuel, its plans were to transition to greener hydrogen over time which made sense given the cost of producing green hydrogen was currently much higher.
"One answer is to start with hydrogen being manufactured from a fossil fuel, in this case natural gas, then put in place all of the other parts of the supply chain," he said.
"And then, if and when the cost of making hydrogen from renewable energy comes down, you simply replace that part of the supply chain.
WA Hydrogen Industry Minister Alannah MacTiernan said the state had more than 30 hydrogen project proposals on the table.
"It is fantastic to see a major Western Australian company like Woodside investing in hydrogen here in WA," she said.
The part I like about it is, it may well lead to W.A having a hydrogen fuel supply chain, which may enable W.A people to have a choice between BEV's and fuel cell vehicle's.Once again, I must be missing something here. "Blue Hydrogen is produced from natural gas" , which as we know produces Co2 as a byproduct. Woodside says 100% of the carbon emissions would rebated or offset.
Just how do they plan to do that, buy credits from tree planting? Buy carbon certificates from dodgy European or Asian countries?
It becomes another pea and thimble trick that still ends up producing Co2.
Why not go straight to producing green hydrogen or ammonia?
There are lots of place to fill with solar panels or wind farms.
or what about reviving some those government funded wave generators that previous WA govt folks put money into.
The answer of course is that woodside has put a lot of development money into gas fields, and wants to recoup some of that before switching to green hydrogen.
Sounds like another con job to me.
Mick
He will be doing exactly as Albo is doing, waiting until nearer the election, before laying out his plan.
Albo is not the PM and doesn't get to make decisions on what should be done.He will be doing exactly as Albo is doing, waiting until nearer the election, before laying out his plan.
Which as Rumpy says makes sense.
Albo is not the PM and doesn't get to make decisions on what should be done.
8 years on and the Coalition remains clueless.
Albo is not the PM and doesn't get to make decisions on what should be done.
8 years on and the Coalition remains clueless.
It certainly seems as though it is gearing up to an election, I don't think it will be a close election, my feeling is Albo will romp it in.Yep, the government is there to govern. With power comes responsibility not sitting on your hands waiting for an election.
I have a feeling he may go before the end of the year, before this non policy sinks in to the electorate.
It certainly seems as though it is gearing up to an election, I don't think it will be a close election, my feeling is Albo will romp it in.
Way too many skeletons in the cupboard for Morrison and Albo has up until now kept right out of the picture, that IMO is the only unknown he doesn't have a lot of time to get a message across.
So he will be hoping the Coalitions negative sentiment, overrides the nervousness of voting for the unknown, it should be interesting.
Nailed it right there.One thing that that the Nats were right about, we need to know not just what net zero means, but how we are going to get there and how much it will cost. Now that Morrison has nailed his pants to the wall, the Party that explains it's policy the best should win.
It's already rolling.I expect Clive Palmer to come in from outside with a big scare campaign
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