The future of energy generation and storage

[Chronos-Plutus]

Project planning is not a criminal activity.
As @Smurf1976 points out, most of what we see built around us was at some stage not allowed.
You seem to be quick to discount things you do not understand and have no ability to quantify.

Planning a project that is illegal is just morally and ethically wrong.

Can you get charged for planning a murder?

 

[Smurf1976]

Smurf; that is just absurd!

Corporate entities that have a responsibility to their shareholders will not engage in criminal opportunity.

Please stop with the nonsense.

There's nothing criminal about evaluating something that's illegal with a view to gaining proper permission to do it.

There are literally countless examples of that. Eg just because I don't have a liquor license in no way forbids me from learning about the business of running pubs. I only need the license if I'm actually going to run one, I don't need it just to evaluate the idea and determine whether to proceed or not.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

There's nothing criminal about evaluating something that's illegal with a view to gaining proper permission to do it.

There are literally countless examples of that. Eg just because I don't have a liquor license in no way forbids me from learning about the business of running pubs. I only need the license if I'm actually going to run one, I don't need it just to evaluate the idea and determine whether to proceed or not.

Evaluating?

It is planning; Smurf. Planning were to raise the money, planning who will build; and so.

Stop trying to duck and weave.

 

[Smurf1976]

Planning a project that is illegal is just morally and ethically wrong.

Can you get charged for planning a murder?

There's quite a difference between planning to murder someone versus a legitimate business planning to build infrastructure for which government may or may not give approval.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

There's quite a difference between planning to murder someone versus a legitimate business planning to build infrastructure for which government may or may not give approval.

As far as I am concerned they are both illegal; as such they are treated the same!

You just don't want the prohibition lifted.

You can't have an honest discussion; you're a cheater and liar.

 

[Smurf1976]

As far as I am concerned they are both illegal; as such they are treated the same!

You just don't want the prohibition lifted.

You can't have an honest discussion; you're a cheater and liar.

If your view is that just about every listed company is run by cheaters and liars then you have a right to that view.

In practice however, it's entirely normal and reasonable that things are evaluated prior to obtaining permission to do them. That's business 101 really - you don't go spending a fortune on environmental reports, geological reports and so on and you don't have discussions with landowners, hold community meetings and run presentations to both sides of politics etc without having first concluded that the project is worth building. All that stuff collectively costs $ millions and isn't done for a laugh.

In the real world lots of businesses in numerous industries do basic evaluations on all sorts of ideas routinely. Some of those come from senior management, some come from other management, some are from people specifically employed to come up with ideas, others are from looking at what competitors are doing and so on. Same as most investors will examine countless stocks for every one they actually buy.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

If your view is that just about every listed company is run by cheaters and liars then you have a right to that view.

In practice however, it's entirely normal and reasonable that things are evaluated prior to obtaining permission to do them. That's business 101 really - you don't go spending a fortune on environmental reports, geological reports and so on and you don't have discussions with landowners, hold community meetings and run presentations to both sides of politics etc without having first concluded that the project is worth building. All that stuff collectively costs $ millions and isn't done for a laugh.

In the real world lots of businesses in numerous industries do basic evaluations on all sorts of ideas routinely. Some of those come from senior management, some come from other management, some are from people specifically employed to come up with ideas, others are from looking at what competitors are doing and so on. Same as most investors will examine countless stocks for every one they actually buy.

And you speak for the ASX200 do you?

You incite illegal activity!

Might have to send the AFP to your place.

 

[Smurf1976]

And you speak for the ASX200 do you?

You incite illegal activity!

Might have to to send the AFP to your place.

I'm simply referring to how any business operates. We're discussing investment here, right?

Even a convenience shop will evaluate the market first before getting the required license to sell wine or cigarettes for example. Selling without the required license would be illegal but there's no law precluding evaluating the market so long as they're not actually selling such products without the required license. Anyone's free to look around, find out how many bottle shops are in the area, look at the demographics, find out the costs of obtaining a license to sell alcohol and whether they'd be likely to meet the associated conditions and so on. Anyone can do that,

Same with any business, it's perfectly normal to evaluate all sorts of ideas. You only need approval if you want to actually do them.

Of course pretty much every energy company will have run some numbers on nuclear just as they'll have run some numbers on coal, gas, diesel, wind, solar etc too. Even if they don't want to build it themselves, they sure will want to be aware of what a competitor could potentially build and what their costs would be.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I'm simply referring to how any business operates. We're discussing investment here, right?

Even a convenience shop will evaluate the market first before getting the required license to sell wine or cigarettes for example. Selling without the required license would be illegal but there's no law precluding evaluating the market so long as they're not actually selling such products without the required license.

Same with any business, it's perfectly normal to evaluate all sorts of ideas. You only need approval if you want to actually do them and they aren't permitted under normal rules.

So you're not referring to setting up a nuclear plant; that would be illegal, if you were!

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

So you're not referring to setting up a nuclear plant; that would be illegal, if you were!

Smurf!

I was waiting for you to keep going. I was going to say; don't worry about AFP; the most dangerous people on the planet are the Western military ex-SAS.

Like this guy:

 

[Smurf1976]

So you're not referring to setting up a nuclear plant; that would be illegal, if you were!

It is not illegal to discuss building or operating a nuclear power station in NSW which is the location to which I have referred.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

It is not illegal to discuss building or operating a nuclear power station in NSW which is the location to which I have referred.

To be honest; it means nothing to me if we do it or not.

I just think NSW leaders are a bunch of morons if they don't.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

It is not illegal to discuss building or operating a nuclear power station in NSW which is the location to which I have referred.

Andrew Hastie will make a good PM; in time, I think.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Come on; this is entertaining!

Mark Zuckerberg becomes a billionaire for a silly little Facebook app; and I solve energy problems for nations!

 

[SirRumpole]

As far as I am concerned they are both illegal; as such they are treated the same!

You just don't want the prohibition lifted.

You can't have an honest discussion; you're a cheater and liar.

You have lost it matey.

Calling a respected member of this forum a cheat and a liar is both unacceptable behaviour and an indication that you have lost the argument.

Of course people can put forward proposals for whatever they like even if the activity is currently not allowed with a view to having regulations changed by the force of the argument. There is nothing wrong with that unless there are under the table "negotiations" with individuals like the promise of a spot on the board of a nuclear power company.

Governments change and the resulting ideology changes too so people will keep on trying when they smell a whiff of political favour to their pet project.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

You have lost it matey.

Calling a respected member of this forum a cheat and a liar is both unacceptable behaviour and an indication that you have lost the argument.

Of course people can put forward proposals for whatever they like even if the activity is currently not allowed with a view to having regulations changed by the force of the argument. There is nothing wrong with that unless there is under the table "negotiations" with individuals like the promise of a spot on the board of a nuclear power company.

Governments change and the resulting ideology changes too so people will keep on trying when the smell a whiff of political favour to their pet project.

I haven't lost anything. In fact, today/yesterday I solved the energy problems of a foreign nation.

Good day to you sir!

 

[over9k]

You guys have a chicken & egg problem. Nobody's going to bother doing a proper proposal unless there's a realistic shot of actually being able to implement it, and the powers that be aren't going to even consider letting you implement anything until you submit a proper proposal.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

You guys have a chicken & egg problem. Nobody's going to bother doing a proper proposal unless there's a realistic shot of actually being able to implement it, and the powers that be aren't going to even consider letting you implement anything until you submit a proper proposal.

Don't bother, these guys think they know it all. I think I will start putting them on ignore soon, and just focus on the trading and investing.

 

[qldfrog]

I think it was well past bed time judging some of the last posts..hope it will get better today and some apologies posted?

 

[rederob]

Don't bother, these guys think they know it all. I think I will start putting them on ignore soon, and just focus on the trading and investing.

If you are going to promote your ideas, try indulging in rational and meaningful discussion.
There is no real world data showing that either geothermal or nuclear are getting cheaper, but wind, solar and batteries all are.
Iceland will do fine with geothermal and not solar pv, whereas Australia would be the complete opposite.
In many cases it's horses for courses until a more viable solution can be implemented.
In some cases nations are driving transition via policy and/or incentives.
And occasionally the market does the maths and there's a paradigm shift as a result.
Vestas did it for wind, China did it for solar pv, and Tesla did it for batteries.