Value Collector
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I don't think Green Peace's business plan is about investing in energy and minerals. So of course they invest zero to keep the lights on... well, beside paying the bills, the electrician, pay for the bulbs and all that.
Electricity, fuel... we all need and want them. It doesn't mean we're hypocritical to want electric and save the planet at the same time. We can have both.
It'll be cheaper for all consumers if energy comes from clean and renewable... so we all want things cheap and any survey will tell you that.
That and it creates more jobs, greater innovation, not pollute the air or being inefficient in mining/extracting then transport, refined, burnt etc. etc. Aren't those things what this great capitalism is all about?
And it's not a smear if those mock ads are saying the truth. Truth can be uncomfortable, and ugly, but it's no smear in and of itself.
Maybe instead of running smear campaigns they should be using their donated funds to actually invest in a solution, rather than just pointing expensive fingers.
of course, but that doesn't happen over night, if we banned petrol cars tomorrow, you can bet there would be a shortage of cars in a couple of years.
I am all for investing in renewables, and new tech as you can see from my support of Tesla, but the transition needs to happen slowly, other wise you have to expect disruptions.
So where are all these jobs? to seems to me like next to nothing is happening. people are even complaining about the Tesla battery.
it is a smear campaign, because we can't stop using coal tomorrow, So we need to still be investing in fossil fuel in the medium term as we slowly wean ourselves off.
If the country relies on coal, there is nothing wrong with banks loaning some money to keep the coal supply going, especially if not enough people are putting up equity in alternatives.
As I have pointed out before, some of the worlds cheapest and greenest electrical networks are privately owned.
Berkshire Hathaway owned electricity network sells power at half the price of the state owned system across the river, and is heading to 100% wind power.
When you set it up so investors are comfortable investing stuff gets done.
They know we are painting ourselves into a corner, and they will make plenty of money supplying base load, when we have finished whipping ourselves into a renewable catastrophe.
Unfortunately all that will happen is the slowing of anthropomorphic planetary destruction. In the known Universe, nothing exists in the same state forever so this human process can be seen as natural as we assume to be in control.Electricity, fuel... we all need and want them. It doesn't mean we're hypocritical to want electric and save the planet at the same time. We can have both.
Why is it the nuclear is not a discussion in Australia? To me the Gen IV reactors should be considered a real alternative. It's difficult to argue that they are a threat given their construction and that pollution is responsible for > 2000 preventable deaths per year.
Just say they're available in 2030, it give us time to plan and budget for the mid 2030s. China will be happy to helpTheyre building a crap load of plants at the moment.
Fuel is plentiful. And we can make inroads into emissions outside of electricity production - one massive benefit is the output of hydrogen we can then use to make inroads into transport and industrial sectors. SA are big on hydrogen production (see CSIRO work). Given electricity generation/production only accounts for a small portion of our overall energy consumption, renewables will only ever do so much.
Fuel costs are not really a concern in plant life. The costs in running a plant are very fixed and knowable. I suppose gas is definitely the competitor and huge upfront capital costs are unpalatable. But I feel we should consider it seriously.
If a nuclear reactor stacks up in a cost benefit analysis against other forms of energy over it's lifetime (including decommissioning, cleaning up etc) then it should be considered. Nuclear technology like any other technology is advancing all the time. I don't think it does compete at the moment.
Personally I wouldn't trust China to build anything in this country, their standards are so low that I would be very worried about accidents , poor structural work and bad management.
Who says the world need more cars?
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Adani got $1B in subsidies from our tax office.
Buying a cool piece of toy can't be said to be supporting it. Right? Just buying something cool and enjoying it.
If Tesla is a clunker that would probably kill its drivers and you still risk putting money into it... that's showing support.
Saw some news where NYC got better employment figures recently because it's increasing its investment in renewables.
Why is it the nuclear is not a discussion in Australia? To me the Gen IV reactors should be considered a real alternative. It's difficult to argue that they are a threat given their construction and that pollution is responsible for > 2000 preventable deaths per year.
Just say they're available in 2030, it give us time to plan and budget for the mid 2030s. China will be happy to helpTheyre building a crap load of plants at the moment.
Fuel is plentiful. And we can make inroads into emissions outside of electricity production - one massive benefit is the output of hydrogen we can then use to make inroads into transport and industrial sectors. SA are big on hydrogen production (see CSIRO work). Given electricity generation/production only accounts for a small portion of our overall energy consumption, renewables will only ever do so much.
Fuel costs are not really a concern in plant life. The costs in running a plant are very fixed and knowable. I suppose gas is definitely the competitor and huge upfront capital costs are unpalatable. But I feel we should consider it seriously.
The take up of solar pv and batteries may prove you wrong. I can see them being mandatory on new housing in a while.
It wouldn't be that we need more, it's that you need to add 1,000,000 cars to the Australian fleet each year just to maintain the number of cars we have, becasue you lose cars every day.
Same with big generation, we are losing coal plants just to natural attrition.
The government earns alot of money from mining royalties, and other taxes, if they have to put in some money to kick start a 25 year revenue stream, and take a few 1000 people out of the dole queue it can be a good investment
Not sure what you are talking about here
As I said, where the political and social system is set up right people will make the investment.
People can't be employed on clean and renewable projects? Know what $1B, instead of being subsidised to a multibillion corporation from India, can do if it's towards a new industry like renewable?
"A lot" is relative.
Maybe taxes and royalties paid are in the billions. So that's a lot.
A billion dollar on real profit of $50 or $100B is peanuts. And as we all know, the likes of BHP and RIO don't book their real profit in Australia do they? They sell to their subsidiary in Singapore or Panama at a low margin... those then onsell to the end users at massive markup... and that's as far as I know, I'm sure they do more than that.
And that doesn't count the costs of polluting the air, the land, leaching into and spoiling them massive aquifers etc. etc.
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I was saying that "supporting" a struggling business by buying its goods/services. That's supporting.
To buy a Rolex or a pink diamond then say you're supporting watch makers and struggling miners isn't the same. I mean, you do pay for the goods, but don't do so to support them so much as to just enjoy the goods from them
Historically Victoria had the SECV as among the world's best with using low grade coal. Massive scale plants churning out cheap power and nothing could compete for base load. They were even doing it cheaper than hydro power at one point.Why is it the nuclear is not a discussion in Australia?
I don't doubt for a moment that private enterprise could do it.As I have pointed out before, some of the worlds cheapest and greenest electrical networks are privately owned.
The government already has and does subsidise renewable projects, it also provides incentives to mining sometimes, the big difference is the government has a vested interest in mining projects, becasue it gets royalties, so in some cases it makes sense to invest a bit to gain a long term revenue stream.
I still have no idea what this analogy has to do with me.
Ownership isn't the problem, public or private it can be done well. Just keep the ideologically driven politicians out of the way.
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