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Indeed,keynes was right.
it was his followers who werent.
schumacher and keynes were onto the same thing. the economists which took keynes' thoughts and butchered them are the problem.
keynes' thoughts are as much keynsian in practice as marx's were communism in practice.
keynsian economics bought massive budget deficits for the 50,60s and 70s. this caused a financial meltdown and massive inflation in the 70s and 80s until monetary economics reduced the government spending and money supply to restore price stability.
then they go and do it all again. make no mistake inflation was there. but this time in the asset markets, not the consumer market; thanks to cheap chinese imports.
the asset inflation caused the bubble which has so spectacularly busted along with huge government borrowings.
read keynes. ignore the bastardisation of his works by those which claim his name.
Keynesian economics is sound and based on concrete theory. Saving does exacerbate recessions, even though it seems counter intuitive. If savings (leakage) increases as people become more thrifty, and investments (injections) decrease as business do not foresee any point in capital expenditure then the aggregate expenditure will decline greatly.
Then there is an accumulation of inventory, which signals to producers to cut production. We know price-wages isn't completely liquid due to trade unions, contracts, minimum wage legislation, etc...so employment will go down.
People have less to spend and aggregate expenditure falls. So instead, government intervenes by bailing out companies and giving banks money. Thats my two cents from reading a text book anyway, but i see nothing wrong with Keynesian economics.
eladamrine
Depending upon which economic camp you sit in, Keynes is viewed either as a genius, or an idiot. I subscribe to the idiot school.
Thus the remedy for the boom is not a higher rate of interest but a lower rate of interest! For that may enable the so-called boom to last. The right remedy for the trade cycle is not to be found in abolishing booms and thus keeping in permanently semi-slump; but in abolishing slumps and thus keeping us permanently in a quasi-boom.
enzo
I have just finished reading "The General Theory..." and it is a tortured read. So many fallacies, liquid definitions, pure bunk, with some really communistic tendancies.
Unfortunately, Lord Keynes was British. As he was part of the Bloomsberry sect, as was Blunt etc, I'm now convinced he was really a Russian, or taking part in the most monumental piss-take ever.
jog on
duc
He was also a member of The Fabian Society, which explains much of your observation.
I've never seen him linked to "The Fabians." Which is not to say he wasn't, but you would have expected such a prominent figure as Keynes to be listed amoungst their alumini.
However, it is his economics that I have issue with. Of course, your politics may well influence your economics.
jog on
duc
Duc,
he is mentioned in this article, amongst others.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fabian_Society
Keynesian economics is sound and based on concrete theory.
And can a Keynesian pro please answer me this....... If im broke and maxed out my credit cards would it be wise financial advice to tell me to spend more on credit and consume or should i save and invest (or reduce debt)?
What if you are given the option that your, yet to born, grandkids can repay your debt. What will you do then? Leaving the morality issue aside.
Well considering the idea to spend spend and spend some more will just leave my kids and grandkids in a shatload of debt i think the option is stupid. Of course if i could just write the debt off and continue to borrow for many yrs to come then the system would be fantastic.
Can fiscal policy revive economic activity? At the G20 summit on November 15, 2008 leaders stressed that fiscal policy ”” strong increases in government outlays ”” will have a bigger role to play in reviving economic activity. US President-elect Barack Obama has suggested that one should not worry about budget deficits ”” what matters, he said, is to revive the economy.
But how can an increase in government outlays kick-start the economy? Any activity that the government would initiate requires funding. (Various individuals who will be employed by the government will expect compensation for their work.) The government as such doesn't create any real wealth, so the only way it can pay these individuals is by taxing others who are still generating real wealth. By doing this, the government weakens the wealth-generating process and undermines prospects for economic recovery. (We ignore here borrowings from foreigners.)
As in the case of money-printing policy, if the pool of real savings is declining, massive government outlays cannot revive the economy; on the contrary, they will make things much worse. The only way fiscal stimulus could "work" is if the pool of real savings is still growing. The increase in economic activity when the pool of real savings is expanding is erroneously attributed to the government's loose fiscal policy. If the pool is shrinking, real economic activity will continue to decline ”” regardless of any increase in government outlays. Again, government is not a wealth-generating entity; the more it spends, the more it takes from wealth generators, thereby weakening any prospects for a recovery.
hehehehe this line made my dayI think history has proved that its anything but sound.
I still cant believe that people think the current economic structure we live in today is sound and the right 1 to practice??? its the whole reason why boom and busts happen in the 1st place. And all these business's crying poor shouldnt have been that big in the 1st place.
And can a Keynesian pro please answer me this....... If im broke and maxed out my credit cards would it be wise financial advice to tell me to spend more on credit and consume or should i save and invest (or reduce debt)?
Because for some reason it seems the whole world is encouraging the 1st line and thats due to Mr Keynes economic theory.
I shake my head and sometimes wonder how many people in their powerful positions actually know what their talking about (except for Ron Paul of course)
I prefer not to get into this economic discussion in details, but will give it a small try. I only claim to know a little more of Austrian economics than Keynasian, so yes, I do subscribe to the "idiots" side.
Common sense tells me that economic propersity is achieved through effective use of resource and increased productivity. Saving should be encouraged in which they should be reinvested to enable higher productivity.
The policies being adopted by these Keynasian insired economists make absolute no sense to me. If "reckless" spending beyond your mean is so good for the economy, why not just give everyone a million dollars and make everyone rich??
Keynasian economics also completely ignore the concept of external shocks. The Market Efficient Theory is just plain stupid too as if they are treating humans are perfectly logical mammals and will never become emotional when they make investment decisions. That's why most of the mainstream economists (Keynasian inspired) DID NOT predict the incoming crash. Only a few economists / independent analysts, whom most of them follow Austrian economics, have predicted this for a long time.
So who do I trust, mainstream Keynasian or the "idiot" Austrians?
www.mises.org have tons of article that are highly critical of the Keynasian economics.
Here is a good article to read.
http://mises.org/story/3279
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