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I'm not proposing it, just posted it for interest and as a counterpoint.
But for the record, ploughing up the permafrost is a ludicrous idea... IMO.
But have you ever heard of brainstorming? Look it up.
Simply put, our current energy mix is too carbon intensive for the era of global warming. For instance, hydro and other forms of renewable power make up only around one-tenth of our energy use. Despite this, we are well positioned to succeed in areas where demand is set to increase through the introduction of an emissions trading system.
So new ideas will be needed to exploit our potential in areas like: carbon capture and storage; geothermal, solar and other renewable energy sources; and eco-system services – all of which have huge export and job creation potential that can benefit every Australian.
Hey 20/20,skint
1. but you agree that it requires attention yes?
2. totally agree. Bludy worry.
3. Personally I'm not making preparations for the end of the world - I'm trying to minimise the damage.
So many threads on this now
"Global Cooling?"
"The Great Global Warming Swindle"
etc
So back about Oct Nov 2007 last year I started that poll.
"Global Warming How Valid and Serious"
The results ?
83% think it makes sense to act. (even if not all are convinced it's manmade).
simple. - let's act.
If you don't like corrective action for the sake of the planet, or the critters - then look on it as an economic opportunity.
I posted it back there at #75 - but what the heck , here it is again .. He has apparently done a brilliant series on this - there will no doubt be more youtubes in the future. And he originally came at the problem with a healthy Doubting Thomas scepticism.... the Youtube clip with David 'Rabbitborough'. The one where he is on a basketball court and discusses two overlaid graphs. The first of historic global temperatures, and the second of historic temperatures after controlling for known influences of temperature such as sunspots and volcanos.
1. are you an optimist or pessemist, given the glacial rate of change on these issues globally?
2. Maybe we shold run a poll on people's expectations of the chances of sufficient and successful interventions.
The A1B scenario is a more integrated world approach.
Rapid economic growth.
A global population that reaches 9 billion in 2050 and then gradually declines.
The quick spread of new and efficient technologies.
A convergent world - income and way of life converge between regions. Extensive social and cultural interactions worldwide.
Fossil fuels are reduced - a balanced emphasis on all energy sources.
I agree with that, but as mentioned ad nauseum previously, wrong focus.simple. - let's act.
If you don't like corrective action for the sake of the planet, or the critters -
gg, don't worry about me m8 , lol
Smurf might tear you to pieces though
For the record, I've seen the river and I'd prefer it flowing naturally rather than trough turbines from a purely conservation perspective.and smurf
there's also a limit on how long you can keep flogging the Franklin on GW threads
Could some knowledgeable person kindly list the reasons why we are having/going to have a worldwide shortage of food?
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The Once-ler, No, I wasn't being lazy. Yes, I should have posted the question in the Food Shortage thread. I apologise for putting it here.There's about 3 threads going already about food and food supply, so your being a bit lazy.
wayne, Well ‘wrong focus’ may be your opinion, but if 95% of your field of view is positive, (more reforestation, less destruction of habitat, less pollution of all types), and the other 5% is questionable (carbon capture etc) – but not damaging - then I’m not gonna get excited about the 5%. (especially as I'm convinced by the arguments in any case).I agree with that, but as mentioned ad nauseum previously, wrong focus.
The other thing I see is that the AGW alarmists don't actually do anything themselves, only want the peons to act. There even those who absolve themselves of responsibility because they are "spreading the word" One of our members here even admitted to this. Pfffft
They continue to have a large footprint, work for companies with huge footprints etc.
Obviously I don’t have a problem with the peons – nor those who travel on horseback. On the contrary, the people who are gonna have to change their ways are the ones who drive unnecessarily big cars around the suburbs – and the car companys who sell them in preference to a small 4 cyl car.peon: In its obsolete usage in Spain itself, the word denoted a person who travelled by foot rather than on a horse (caballero).
Craig Offman, National Post Published: Thursday, February 07, 2008
David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change.
At a Montreal conference last Thursday, the prominent scientist, broadcaster and Order of Canada recipient exhorted a packed house of 600 to hold politicians legally accountable for what he called an intergenerational crime.
Though a spokesman said yesterday the call for imprisonment was not meant to be taken literally, Dr. Suzuki reportedly made similar remarks in an address at the University of Toronto last month.
… Addressing the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability, hosted by the Faculty of Management, Dr. Suzuki's wide-ranging speech warned against favouring the economy to the detriment of the ecology
…. "You have lived your entire lives in a completely unsustainable period," he told students and fans.
... "What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there's a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they're doing is a criminal act," said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
"It's an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years."
The statement elicited rounds of applause.
"He sounded serious," said McGill Tribune news editor Vincci Tsui, who covered the event. "I think he wanted to send home the message that this is very crucial issue."
…….. How a law concerning climate-change denial could be enforced baffled at least one leading criminal-law expert. "We used to have an offence of spreading false news," said Kent Roach, the Prichard-Wilson Chair of Law and Public Policy at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law. "But that was struck down by the Supreme Court."
Yet there could be a better blueprint for Dr. Suzuki's legal scenario.
The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, a Liberal-sponsored private member's bill that passed and was given Royal Assent last year, legally requires the Conservative government to abide by the international pact's short-term environmental targets.
In the event that conditions are not met, government officials are held liable. "Every person who contravenes a regulation made under this Act is guilty of an offence punishable by indictment or on summary conviction, as prescribed by the regulations," the act reads, "and liable to a fine or to imprisonment as prescribed by the regulations."
The act adds that there are further legal measures in the event of subsequent and continuing offences, but does not specify the penalties.
The Conservative government said last year it would not abide by the Liberal-sponsored bill, since private member's bills cannot force the government to spend money.
Big Al would never have become a messenger if there wasn't $$$$ in it.
wiki said:Gore's senior thesis at Harvard explored the impact of television on the conduct of the presidency. This thesis essentially stated that television had an inherent bias towards individuals over institutions which would bring more attention to the president than the other branches of governments. The thesis furthermore argued that the ability to communicate well visually was becoming crucial to governing
wiki said:Gore opposed the Vietnam War and could have avoided serving overseas by accepting a spot in the National Guard that a friend of his family had reserved for him, or by other means of avoiding the draft. Gore has stated that his sense of civic duty compelled him to serve in some capacity. He enlisted in the United States Army on August 7, 1969. After basic training at Fort Dix, Gore was assigned as a military journalist writing for The Army Flier, the base newspaper at Fort Rucker. With seven months remaining in his enlistment, Gore was shipped to Vietnam, arriving on January 2, 1971. He served with the 20th Engineer Brigade in Bien Hoa.
wiki said:According to The Concord Monitor, "Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouses gases. He held the first congressional hearings on the subject in the late 1970s."
wiki said:Gore has been involved with the development of the Internet since the 1970s, first as a Congressman and later as Senator and Vice-President. Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn stated in the 2000 article "Al Gore and the Internet", that Gore was "the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development." His High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (often referred to as the Gore Bill) was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway."
1. well Stern and Garnaut disagree I suspect.2020,
1. The real solution would involve trashing both the economy in its current form, and indeed the whole monetary system itself.
2. There will be fiddling around the edges, as long as there is a profit/gu'mint revenue motive, but nothing addressing the core problems.
3. Self interest is a more powerful motive than community interest, hence the actions of the likes of Al Bore....Big Al would never have become a messenger if there wasn't $$$$ in it.
4. At least Suzuki walks the walk (as far as I know) to some extent, even if wrong on AGW.
probably two sides (or three maybe?) to every story ..Big Al may have good some points. But I'm not being too hard on someone with a $30,000 p/a power bill.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=5072659
PS Wiki => lol
Politicians very actively edit their own wikis
In February 2007, critics stated that "a report by the Nashville Electric Service revealed that Mr Gore's mansion in Nashville consumed between 12 and 20 times more electricity than the average family home and that his electricity consumption had risen since the film's release in 2005.
"[91] WKRN-TV reported that the Gore family obtains their power from the Nashville Electric Service's "renewable energy initiative", The Green Power Switch program.[92] The Detroit Free Press also noted that "Gore purchased 108 blocks of 'green power' for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.
That’s a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.The green power Gore purchased is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES’s Web site."[93]
The Associated Press reported on 13 December 2007 that Gore "has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly [...] 'Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher,' said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design."
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