The budget, what's your thoughts?

[Duckman#72]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

I did try, but boredom got the better of me and I changed channels.

Especially I find his constant use of unnecessary metaphors distracting and redundant.

Anyone else?

Hi Julia

I watched Costello on Tuesday and tried to give Kev a go tonight but had to turn it off.

Has a touch of the "Peter Beattie's" about him. Howard might be "too smart by half"' but Kev is "too smooth by half". So full of spin and rhetoric. Great big picture stuff but not so sure on the practical details.

I've seen Labour's ideas on BAS changes and it is bloody scary. The Coalition's big assets are still Gillard and Swan. Very unimpressive - both of them. Swan's response to the budget was forgettable.

Regards

Duckman

 

[Julia]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Hi Julia

I watched Costello on Tuesday and tried to give Kev a go tonight but had to turn it off.

Has a touch of the "Peter Beattie's" about him. Howard might be "too smart by half"' but Kev is "too smooth by half". So full of spin and rhetoric. Great big picture stuff but not so sure on the practical details.

I've seen Labour's ideas on BAS changes and it is bloody scary. The Coalition's big assets are still Gillard and Swan. Very unimpressive - both of them. Swan's response to the budget was forgettable.

Regards

Duckman

Hi Duckman,

Yes, you've described them very well. When Kevin Rudd was elected leader I was quite pleased and would definitely have considered Labor as an alternative government. Not any more.

Regards
Julia

 

[Rafa]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

don't think that response would have been a vote getter...
it was a rather measured speech, more focused on big picture stuff...

but i guess in opposition, what more can you do...
its not like you announcing a tax cut is actually going to mean much.

all that needs to be saved up for the election.

i did like the stuff on technical workshops in schools...
after yr 10, there is simply no emphasis nowadays on technical trades, yr 11 and 12 are only focussed on University entry... which is not really suited for all students

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

I cant agree more with you Julia & duckman. My exact words after it was 'that was piss weak, how can Australia possibly put them in control?'.
It was boreing at best, nothing new said. Duckman, your 100% right on Rudd and his big plans but no plan to get there.
I also agree with you on Swan's response to the budget.... Swan sounds too graceful to me, more like Goose.
On the loans for solar panels etc, As I said in another post, the Liberals $8000 worth of rebates would be much better.
I also liked how Rudd said 'three' with such conviction when he was outlining that he would put 3 new universities up..... funny, I thought I heared that somewhere else oh thats right I did on tuesday night!!!
Julia, about the metaphors... I hear ya. I liked the one about building a big engine or something along those lines.
Rudd also wants to put $250 million towards plugging leaks in our water pipes, well Id like to know how he knows which pipes need doing and those that dont....and would $250 million be enough? In my area we are having enough trouble catching the water in the first place! we had to build a pipeline from the Hunter to pump extra in. Would be much better putting that money (or some of it) towards catching more water.
I did think that his idea about teaching foreign language in schools was a good one but I would imagine that $65 million over 4 years wouldnt be enough.

All I can say is, god help us if Labour gets in

Cheers

 

[Happy]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Over the years it went like this-

Liberals filled up the purse and Labor emptied more than was in it, for Liberals to fix it.

 

[somesortoftrader]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

I guess its hard to make ground as an opposition when the Govt hasn't done alot wrong..... but truly Rudd is starting to sh*t me!

On Wayne Swan: .......he said something the other night along the lines of "we'll keep the budget in surplus...over a cycle'" oh dear!

On Gillard: She needs to stop thinking like a SLATER & GORDON Lawyer....and more like a potential minister that is capable of acting for everyone! ..... this old trade union thinking system, that all employers are evil is just pathetic.

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Over the years it went like this-

Liberals filled up the purse and Labor emptied more than was in it, for Liberals to fix it.

:iagree:

 

[Rafa]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

yeah, i agree too...
except this time, Rudd has not spent anything, and he is getting canned for it too!

its a case of damned if you do, and damned if your don't...
it simply highlights how hard it is to win gov't from opposition.

 

[Ants]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Over the years it went like this-

Liberals filled up the purse and Labor emptied more than was in it, for Liberals to fix it.

NO! The world economic situation filled up our puse, and the liberal government is spending it on its self interests ask any battler.

I guess its hard to make ground as an opposition when the Govt hasn't done alot wrong

Are you kidding, I strongly disagree. public education, health- aged care, hospitals. The environment. ALL IN THE ****TER! Who has presided over all of this. Liberals.

The liberals and labor is getting there are antiquated systems of government and commerce.

And whats with the term young liberal that should be an oxymoron.

 

[Rafa]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

i think the gov't done a lot wrong, but as this budget is shown, they have the power to fix it...

its fair to say, and i think even the hardcore liberal supporters would have to agree, its only becuase its an election year that they have done the following...
1. begun to think about climate change
2. come up with a university endowment fund
3. decided to re-instate the no disadvatage tests on low to middle income earners
4. boosted infrastructure spending (tho how much will go to the real hot spots, and how much will go into the marginal seats, is still to be established).

a strong opposition party is a must for good government, and if nothing else, atleast that is what we have now, and for that i am gratefull.

 

[Happy]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Need for opposition only proves that government cannot be trusted and it is very expensive system to keep government honest.

On the other hand existence of opposition pushes government to be rather popular than willing to fix some difficult issues, like complex tax for example or spend big to fix water problems.

 

[chops_a_must]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

2. come up with a university endowment fund

And what a huge white elephant that is.

It only gives an extra ~150m a year to Universities. And that's only for new buildings and infrastructure! Forget about money to keep the best staff, let alone attract it.

The unis probably need that 6b right now. Most are technically insolvent. It's an absolute disgrace. No wonder we have nation wide skill shortages. You could have picked that 6 or 7 years back when most Unis had to get rid of departments and courses just to stay afloat.

But paying 6b to Unis right now probably wouldn't even make up for the damage this government has done to higher education over the last 10 years. And in the end, it does have an affect on the economy, like we are seeing now.

 

[petervan]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Agree about university funding, my sister is a proffeser and is amazed at the difference for her child to study and her free ride thru UNI. Thanks to the fact it was free she was able to study and went on to discover advanced genetic research used by police worlwide today.She gets half price for her kid but still expesive.My point high costs and debt keep people away

 

[Julia]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

NO! The world economic situation filled up our puse, and the liberal government is spending it on its self interests ask any battler.

Are you kidding, I strongly disagree. public education, health- aged care, hospitals. The environment. ALL IN THE ****TER! Who has presided over all of this. Liberals.

The liberals and labor is getting there are antiquated systems of government and commerce.

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Other than aged care, and tertiary institutions, the other areas you nominate as being failed (and I agree) are the responsibility of State governments all of whom are Labor.

Can you perhaps rewrite your last sentence above - it doesn't seem to make sense as it stands?

 

[chops_a_must]

Re: The budget, whats your thoughts?

Other than aged care, and tertiary institutions, the other areas you nominate as being failed (and I agree) are the responsibility of State governments all of whom are Labor.

So the states were meant to sign Kyoto were they?