The article you quoted also complained about the Solicitor General, so it's fair game for this thread.
I'm defending the position of SG, not the individual.
Game set and match to you Noco.
Your bias makes reasonable discussion impossible so my efforts will be better spent elsewhere.
It is a shame both you and Tisme cannot accept the facts that have been presented......n until after the 2013 election. yadda yadda
They say the real truth hurts and it is obvious to me and many ASF readers that you, Tisme and Sir Rumpole just don't like adverse comments to any person or organization associated with the Green/Labor left wing socialist coalition....I think it is time to take stock of yourselves.
It is always an indication to me when you 3 plus some others who do not have the answers, you then revert to snide remarks and character assassination.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing so as it relates to everyone and not those who tend to think it is only for them.
If this AHRC case against Bill Leak ends up in court, I do hope it will be the catalyst for someone to take action to amend 18c.
We are becoming a Marxist state whereby what ever one says goes under scrutiny by this out of hand and out of control AHRC.
Well, this time I actually agree with you, especially when the police who have to deal with indigenous deliquents say that the cartoon reflects real life and what they have to deal with.
If it goes to court I think Leak will get off for "fair comment", but the fact that he can get dragged through the courts for expressing a fairly mild opinion is concerning.
If this AHRC case against Bill Leak ends up in court, I do hope it will be the catalyst for someone to take action to amend 18c.
We are becoming a Marxist state whereby what ever one says goes under scrutiny by this out of hand and out of control AHRC.
Last week, the HRC announced it is investigating Bill and his cartoon for “racial hatred”. It is unlikely he will get many nights’ sleep from now on. Yet another government-sponsored 18C nightmare has begun for another innocent Australian.
Bill Leak, an everyday hard-working Aussie craftsman no different to any tradie, is now threatened by terrorists on the one hand and an out-of-control commission funded by the taxes that you, he and I pay on the other. It’s hard to know which is more terrifying* or obscene.
As three QUT students and Andrew Bolt discovered, no white Australian now dare express an opinion on any aspects of the behaviour of any indigenous Australians, even when indigenous Australians hold the same opinion. There are only two words for this: “apartheid” and “totalitarianism”.
Bill draws cartoons to reach as wide an audience as possible to bring difficult subjects into the open for discussion, just as indigenous leaders like Langton and Pearson have urged. Yet he is now being persecuted by the state.
Indigenous leaders must speak up for Bill, the Race Commissioner must be suspended, and 18C repealed.
Or maybe Bill should have done a Gestapo cartoon after all. Because that seems to be where Australia is headed.
Thanks Rumpy for you honest opinion.
I believe parents, black or white, should be penalized for neglecting their kids, particularly those kids who are allowed to roam the streets at all hours.
I was maybe 13 or 14 on my way home at 9.30pm one Friday from the church boys club......I was confronted by the local police Sargent, his name was "Slam Sullivan" and as Irish as Paddy's pig......."Hey sonny, what are you doin' out at this time of night?...now you get on home, I know where you live and I'll be around to talk to your parents in the mornin'".
It is a pity we did not have a bit more of the old days back again.
Well, this time I actually agree with you, especially when the police who have to deal with indigenous deliquents say that the cartoon reflects real life and what they have to deal with.
If it goes to court I think Leak will get off for "fair comment", but the fact that he can get dragged through the courts for expressing a fairly mild opinion is concerning.
If this makes it to court it will end up exactly the same as the 'Alas Poor Yagan' Cartoon.If this AHRC case against Bill Leak ends up in court, I do hope it will be the catalyst for someone to take action to amend 18c.
We are becoming a Marxist state whereby what ever one says goes under scrutiny by this out of hand and out of control AHRC.
Except there's a massive brick wall in the way called 18D. You don't need a genius lawyer to defend yourself using that section. Going on precedent I'd say it's almost a 100% certain the case would be unsuccessful at court against Bill Leak.They say it is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent be convicted (where 100% certainty is not the case). Equally, IMO it is better that a few bigots be allowed to say offensive things than have our freedom of speech threatened by unnecessary legislation. There are other ways to attack offensive bigotry.
Except there's a massive brick wall in the way called 18D. You don't need a genius lawyer to defend yourself using that section. Going on precedent I'd say it's almost a 100% certain the case would be unsuccessful at court against Bill Leak.
Except there's a massive brick wall in the way called 18D. You don't need a genius lawyer to defend yourself using that section. Going on precedent I'd say it's almost a 100% certain the case would be unsuccessful at court against Bill Leak.
It sounds like you are making an argument that the law should not exist because there is the potential to use the legal process to convince people to settle out of court.Yes, 18D provides safeguards, but as a letter to the editor I read today succinctly points out, the deterrent is not the legislation but the process.
Yes, you do need a significant resources to defend yourself against 18C. This has been proven by the students involved in the QUT case, where the student who didn't settle could face legal bills up to $500K should it go to trial (This was from last April, I haven't checked on how this case has progressed since)
I've already commented on this case (in this thread I think) but I will add that it's different to the Bill Leak case because it doesn't have to do with the defence of the performance or publication of an artistic work.QUT racism case 'legal blackmail': Senator
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-legal-blackmail-senator-20160419-go9yf7.html
Again this is a different issue. This isn't an argument used to bring change the law, it's an opinion on how you think the Human Rights Commission should or should not operate and which cases they should or should not provide assistance or make a submission.If you are so sure that the Bill Leak case is a no goer, then one would have expected a preliminary statement to have been made when the complaint was lodged, that prima facia no breach of 18C/D occurred. Instead all we got was The Race Discrimination Commissioner, Tim Soutphommasane, urging anyone who was offended by the cartoon to lodge a complaint under section 18C. One would expect The Race Discrimination Commissioner to know lodging such complaints would be fruitless and a waste of public and private expenses (assuming the complainant incurs costs other than time spent filling in the appropriate forms). Instead he urged others to also lodge complaints.
It sounds like you are making an argument that the law should not exist because there is the potential to use the legal process to convince people to settle out of court.
Absolutely. It works both ways. For instance, some media companies around the world always play hard ball on principle and force litigants to go through the court system, which has earned them some protection against frivolous (and probably non-frivolous) law suits.The whole civil law system is designed to want people to settle out of court. The awarding of costs is a pretty powerful incentive to only bring a case if you reasonably believe you have a chance of winning.
Absolutely. It works both ways. For instance, some media companies around the world always play hard ball on principle and force litigants to go through the court system, which has earned them some protection against frivolous (and probably non-frivolous) law suits.
All I'm really saying is that it's not really an argument against any specific law.
Which is fair enough. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that particular legislation as it stands. You can pretty much say whatever you want as long as you're not making stuff up, ala Bolt.
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