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The Albanese government

Who is going to be the first to try and knife Airbus next year?

  • Marles

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Chalmers

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Wong

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Plibersek

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Shorten

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Burney

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
    12
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I thought all New Zealanders of fighting age, were over here putting up scaffold. ?
 
wayneL said:
Fair comment?

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How does that song go? "B B Baby you aint seen nothin yet".
This has only just started, to get where Bowen wants to go by 2030, there is a lot more pain coming, over East IMO, you haven't started paying the coal operators to stay on yet.
It's happening over here in the West and there really is no way around it, at least we have some gas to mitigate the lack of coal issue, over East it sounds like your options are extremely limited.
So as usual it will be the tax payer that wears it.
 
As much as it pains me, I am strongly backing Albo in the Thorpe conflagration.

A very rare occasion when he is completely on the money.
 
Ferret said:
A bit harsh.

Increases in electricity cost are largely due to factors outside their control.

Nevertheless, they were idiots to ever promise a $275 drop in bills.
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It reminds me of that foolish statement b RJ Hawke.
"By 1990, no child will live in Poverty".
For the life of me I just don't understand why politicians make these silly promises.
It always ends up badly.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
It reminds me of that foolish statement b RJ Hawke.
"By 1990, no child will live in Poverty".
For the life of me I just don't understand why politicians make these silly promises.
It always ends up badly.
Mick
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Ah yes, the first sign of b.s. is when targets turn into "aspirations".
 
SirRumpole said:
Ah yes, the first sign of b.s. is when targets turn into "aspirations".
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The first sign of problems is when the Govt commits to a target of any kind, everyone rolls up their sleeves and get the cash registers running, it's party poppers time.
"They made a promise, they don't care what it costs, just make it happen". Lol
 
mullokintyre said:
It reminds me of that foolish statement b RJ Hawke.
"By 1990, no child will live in Poverty".
For the life of me I just don't understand why politicians make these silly promises.
It always ends up badly.
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Using that specific example, an awful lot of children were living in poverty not long afterward when the wheels fell off the economy.

It was worse than just a missed promise, the exact opposite being achieved in practice. 1990 being the turning point that put many into poverty for years to come.

As for electricity prices, I do agree it's not Albanese's fault. That said, as someone who knows the story all too well, there's a pretty long list of past PM's who could be fairly criticised. The situation we have today has been created over an extended period.....
 
IMO the biggest problem is Australians have been so convinced that they have behaved so badly, that they dare not speak up, for fear of perpetuating the problem.
This in turn has stymied any checks and balances on those who wish to push an agenda.
When religious people spoke up against the acceptance of homosexuality, they where held up to a public shaming, whether that was right or wrong it was extremely cruel and certainly showed how anyone who disagrees with the current narrative will be treated.
Somewhat like the Vietnam vets were treated when they came back, the world had moved on, the vets had just being what they belived in.

The same applies with clean energy, common sense and technical advice is overidden by sweeping "green" statements, that use 5 minute sound grabs, to nullify actual power system realities e.g renewables are cheaper to install than fossil fueled generation so why are we still putting in fossil fueled generation?
That is correct but you can't switch renewables on when you need them, it is a small point but actually the real issue.
So we now have a situation in Australia, where people who have real and genuine concerns are actually scared to voice them.
It usually returns to centre after two terms. Lol

But you do have to have these disruptive periods, to break the mundane conservitive more of the same periods of Government.
If it didn't happen growth would stagnate.

Even if the voice doesnt get up, it has brought the issue to a head, that is good, because the issue of indigenous integration is getting worse not better.

The issue of decarbonising, it has moved about as far as it could IMO by allowing the private sector to fund it, so now obviously the general public want the transition to move quicker and Labor were voted in, now it is accelerating and people have to accept that.
But with the accelleration will come increased costs, they will only accept that for so long.
And the wheel turns. Lol
I think ASF members who have known me for a long time, know I always say Labor have great initiatives, the implementation is always their undoing.
By the way on a phone, so hope the post looks ok on a full screen.
 
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This government is acting like a government. Absolutely about time the vaping BS was reigned in.

Recreational vaping to be banned, all e-cigarettes to be strictly controlled

The sale of vapes for recreational use will be banned and all other forms will be strictly controlled as the government fights against what Health Minister Mark Butler describes as an attempt by Big Tobacco to create a new generation of nicotine addicts.
www.abc.net.au
 
The reasoning seems pretty sound. Over 55's are much less likely to get jobs than younger people. I'd like to see longer term young unemployed in training programs, its their best chance if they really want a job.
 
SirRumpole said:
The reasoning seems pretty sound. Over 55's are much less likely to get jobs than younger people. I'd like to see longer term young unemployed in training programs, its their best chance if they really want a job.
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I would give everyone 12 months to find a job of their choice, they can do free training in selected fields at any time.

After 12 months they have to learn something, then they have to work in that field, if they don't, then put them on the basics card
 
It's not quite what I advocated for. Mine was more generous

PZ99 said:
I think it should be $300 a week (probably will be by the time I submit this)

Then raised for people over 45, raised again for over 55's

Pension needs to go back to 65. Tax free super should be available at 55 and over if you retire.
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I've never been on the dole or any sort of welfare, ever. But I have been in the position of taking *any job available.

I'm not saying it's always easy to find even really crap jobs, but whenever really desperate, I've always managed to find something, anything.
 
SirRumpole said:
The reasoning seems pretty sound. Over 55's are much less likely to get jobs than younger people. I'd like to see longer term young unemployed in training programs, its their best chance if they really want a job.
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Well the whole situation is crazy really, we are importing nearly a million workers because we don't have enough and yet there are young people complaining they can't get work.
Someone is not telling the truth, which side that is I don't know, but something isn't right.
There are always businesses, shops etc complaining they can't get workers, yet as in the article you have 5 people in a share house, it would be interesting to know exactly how much welfare goes into that house.
From the link in the article, it looks like the single jobseeker allowance is about $700/fortnight, so x 5 people is $3,500/ fortnight or $91,000/ yr.

'I genuinely was starving': Abby lived on Youth Allowance while studying and couldn't afford essentials

Young Australians and social services advocates are dismayed the federal budget looks set to include a modest boost to the JobSeeker payment, but only for those over 55.
www.abc.net.au
From the article:
Now 20, she's been out of work since last November, living off her savings in a share house with five others.


I know one of my sons has been doing it for years and he isn't interested in going back to work, so go figure.

Single, no children$693.10
Single, with a dependent child or children$745.20
Single, 60 or older, after 9 continuous months on payment$745.20

With 700,000 immigrants and their children coming, by the time our youth want a job, maybe there wont actually be any.
Because I know a few mates who have Thai wives and they can't believe the pay and conditions and are actively trying to get their kids here ASAP.

When I talk to them they say as cleaners, they earn more than doctors in Thailand, so I don't think India is going to be any better, a big shock is coming IMO.
 
Well, this bloke come from like about -1,000,000,000 to about zero.

Any other sheeit like this and I may have to just give him a positive rating.

 
wayneL said:
Well, this bloke come from like about -1,000,000,000 to about zero.

Any other sheeit like this and I may have to just give him a positive rating.

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I only saw a short of this but Morgan could have tested him further with ‘what is a female’ to make it clear. I think Albo had that response very well prepared. Well done to his staff preparing him for it.
 
Unfortunately most wouldnt have seen it, because the interviewer bloke was cancelled years ago. Lol
 
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