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Haha just me getting ahead of my self as usual.
This has been asked before as I think I have read it, but think I can find it now?
What are some good free charting and data feeds that I can use to follow this thread?
One lightbulb moment for me when it comes to increasing expectancy is the impact of the breakeven stop. It had a HUGE impact on the expectancy of the system (also on the drawdown).
That's really interesting, I have found with systematic trading that Breakevens are of limited value perhaps the discretionary angle gives them an edge ?
That's really interesting, I have found with systematic trading that Breakevens are of limited value perhaps the discretionary angle gives them an edge ?
Yeah, stops hurt systems...i wonder what it is about discretionary stops that are better? Better observation of volume perhaps?
CanOz
(as long as you believe the stops can be executed efficiently).
Not having them can hurt even more.
Example...
Yeah, stops hurt systems...i wonder what it is about discretionary stops that are better? Better observation of volume perhaps?
CanOz
Yeah, stops hurt systems...i wonder what it is about discretionary stops that are better? Better observation of volume perhaps?
CanOz
To me it indicates that the trades taken are based on good entries. A good entry would be one where the stop can be moved to BE only because the SP continues to move up immediately. Otherwise you won't be moving any stop anywhere, let alone upwards!! I also believe in getting a good entry, and contrary to most commentators, think it's just as important as the exit. Average entries with tight stops results in an extremely high % of losing trades, and will likely be unprofitable overall.
But its a bit like everything else in discretionary versus systematic trading... we think its better to have good entries, but yet when tested they're no better than 50/50 anyway. Like BE and Trailing Stops. the 20% Flipper uses only a 20% stop and an index filter, yet this works better than a BE and a trail because it gives the stock room to run.
Anyway, a bit off topic...looking forward to tech and Pavs examples, i know how Radge used to move his stops (more or less) but i'm keen to see how these guys do it.
CanOz
I think it's very much on topic!
Sinner asked if you want a small movement or big movement before breakout. I want small movement, low volatility right near the trendline is best. That would be part of my pattern.
Some would argue that time has more significance that the range size...
CanOz
I base my time stop on a percentage of the size of the pattern in most cases. eg. pattern size = 20 bars -> time stop 10 bars. But this is for swing trading,not momentum. I think this thread is only about momentum trades, not sure.
I think it's very much on topic!
Sinner asked if you want a small movement or big movement before breakout. I want small movement, low volatility right near the trendline is best. That would be part of my pattern.
Hi Tech
Do you have conditions of the overall market to be met before trading these trades?
Long trades only or Long and Short trades?
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