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Tasered for asking John Kerry questions

wayneL said:
But those police reports are almost comedic in their inaccuracy and spin, particularly the first one. LOL

yeah I agree the police reports are filled with inaccuracies and conflict with what is actually visible on the video, which makes you wonder at the accuracy of their recollection of the events prior to the video commencing.

The anecdotes of one staunch republican student aren't exactly compelling evidence either, though the account does read credibly enough even though we can verifty the accuracy of it. In it I can't see anything that adds particularly to the story. The only additional information I can see in it is that prior to the video being shot Meyers went to the mike and interrupted to ask Kerry to stay and answer everybody's questions, to which Kerry agreed.
 
Being rude, attention seeking and an idiot are not grounds for arrest!

yes they are. public nuisance, drunk and disorderly, offensive behaviour laws all regulate how much of an asshole you can be in public.

and he wasn't going to be arrested, he was going to be ejected. he was only arrested after he became violent.
 
yes they are. public nuisance, drunk and disorderly, offensive behaviour laws all regulate how much of an asshole you can be in public.

and he wasn't going to be arrested, he was going to be ejected. he was only arrested after he became violent.
Given that I didn't mention the things you claim, you only answer your own question.
Oh, and he was being ejected for asking questions at a forum where the speaker invited questions, and was even willing to answer the questions as Meyers was being dragged out of the forum.
Yes, I can see the logic in that.
 
people with the courage to protest when they don't like what their leaders are doing - whether vocalised or not.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/27/2045621.htm
 
o boy - a man is shot after he's blinded with capsicum spray !!

He would have been completely blinded - then he would have felt bullet wound.

and that's put forward as a reason to get tasers

Police say they used capsicum spray before shooting the man, who they say was throwing knives at them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/25/2070042.htm?section=justin

 
Well what do you expect when throwing knives at the police? for them to not use their weapon? i bet he will re-think his actions next time he is in a similar situation.
 

If they were anything more than butter knives, then good on the coppers.

I do agree with you though 2020- what do they need tasers for when they have guns. The guns obviously did a pretty good job here.

And where does it say that the man was blinded from the capsicum spray
 
prof, ok my assumption was that they used capsicum spray and that it hit him in the face. (where does it say it didn't lol? )

As it reads, (and as I initially took it to mean - during quick skim of ABC "just-in" during lunch hour),
"they used capsicum spray before shooting the man",
I thought capsicum spray was used (successfully), then they shot him. But I concede there is an assumption in there.

But I'll happily stand corrected on that IF it turns out that they were NOT able to mace him in the face for some reason (would be a first surely).

My guess is that you're not suggesting that OC spray (pepper spray) doesn't temporarily blind you once you are hit. (?)
i.e. that you'd agree that it forces you to close your eyes (?).



Incidentally ... This post is from February ( different incident , same area). Gatton sounds like a wild spot.

 

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Appreciate your comments, explod -
Would you say that OC spray is adequate for most incidents/ circumstances?

or rather - would it be necessary to do anything in addition to OC spray (IF it was successfully applied). (?)

btw, as per my original post, I would argue that knives prior to then arguably become irrelevant to the argument - or at least irrelevant to the point I was making, or trying to make - if they were able to OC spray him (imo).


Not that this stuff is harmless either .....
Here's a better wikipedia reference to OC spray... (mace being ambiguous apparently) ..
 

I am unable to help objectively 2020..., as the use of OC spray was just being approved for use operationally at the time of my retirement. I had seen its effects in experimental demonstrations and it is very effective if conditions are right, eg., no wind and direct application.

The other problem I have is the growing links between lawmaking, peacekeeping and government. In my view the principals of the Westminster system, such as impartiality, a fair go and innocent unless found guilty are now out the door. Discussions about the (draconian) use of sprays and electric shocks to fellow humans is disgusting so say the least and I want none of it.
 
thanks for that explod -
needs more research

I notice that the wikipedia page ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray

makes reference to the fact that some facts are disputed, and refers you to a "talk page"....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pepper_spray
.... later

 

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prof, ok my assumption was that they used capsicum spray and that it hit him in the face. (where does it say it didn't lol? )

That's a good point


Correct, I'm not suggesting that at all. If they shot him, either they couldn't get close enough to get a good hit on him with the spray and were still in danger, or it didn't have the desired effect if they did get him. Or the coppers were trigger happy maniacs. All of which are wild assumptions based on a very short article. Will have to wait to find out the full story at a later date I guess
 
The story (sorta) unfolds - the Qld Police Minister doesn't want tasers "rolled out" - except ... not sure I believe 100% of what I read in these matters (especially reportedly said by police , and ExtraSPecially said by pollies )

I agree with the bottom line of what she's saying (re tasers)
.. although the detail is getting real mirky / confused.

Personally, I'd like her to confirm whether or not (as she infers) a man blinded with OC spray was then shot.
 
this thread has always had two themes
a) the use of force to stop someone talking at a political meeting
b) the use of tasers by police
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=325084
man killed by canadian mounties
"they always get their man !"
Taser death at Vancouver airport
 
you would have to conclude that the "Royal" Canadian Mounted Police are a collective bunch of liars on this occasion
 

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