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The only mystery is why our apparently left political party seems so intent on a high-fee privatised retirement system rather than boosting the only retirement system that actually works — the age pension.
I think along the same lines, the problem with putting all you eggs in super, just means that your future is up to the Governments whim on how you can spend it.in my early teens a politician ( and neighbour ) the ALP state member ,imparted a seemingly timeless pearl of wisdom
'never get between a politician and a pot of money '
now while Paul Keating's idea of compulsory super made SOME sense ( compulsory saving of wage rises during heavy inflation ) it had dangers which we now see clearly
super funds using investment money to promote political agendas ( and in cases worming their way onto the board of directors )
BTW it was at one stage that compulsory super was considered as a REPLACEMENT for the age pension ( except for politicians and high-ranking government officials ) but of course politicians meddling in super regulations ( and the economy ) made sure that most super funds would NEVER fund much of a retirement to surviving seniors
the politicians ( and union officials ) spotted a pot of money
no mystery to me , i remember who were slithering in the union senior ranks in early years and now see the same people on boards of directors INCLUDING as directors of investment fund companies and these people were creating their own retirement nest-egg ( by grabbing seats in that highly privatized system )
sadly i have had a long awareness of the Left ceasing to be radical when offered a piece of the cream pie
now using saved money ( Super ) to invest in your housing needs , has the potential to be absolutely nuts , consider now we are no longer in an era of 'a job for life ' ( and maybe not even ' a career for life ' )
a house should be an anchoring point for your ( family ) life , but there is a trend towards being economic nomads ( which i embraced way back in the early '80s , where 'home ' was anywhere with a hot shower , a change of clothes and food and coffee to consume on the way to work effectively i could have 'lived ' at the Roma Street transit centre if i was working near the Brisbane CBD at the time )
given the current trend of shorter working histories at each job , is buying a house with the compulsory savings a good idea , the only reason it would make sense currently , is if the property was bought as a 'future rental property ' ( either as a 100% renter , or some sort of 'share house arrangement ' )
but here we are and the current government is DESPERATE to prop up the housing market
which is why i liquidated my super in 2010 , now sure all my employment between 2010 and 2016 was temporary , casual , etc. , but in hindsight i don't regret the choice .I think along the same lines, the problem with putting all you eggs in super, just means that your future is up to the Governments whim on how you can spend it.
the truth is they can't afford the pensions ( even their own which are vouch-safed by the Future Fund )Like it or loathe it, it's a legal tax dodge. That's why I've tried to get as much into super as I can.
Labor lost the 2019 election in part because they tried to take away franking credits. That change wouldn't have affected that may in the community. Good luck to any government that tries to pinch your super savings!
Its only a tax dodge for the top 20% of the workers.the truth is they can't afford the pensions ( even their own which are vouch-safed by the Future Fund )
BTW it isn't a tax dodge ( for the public ) it is a back-door cash-injection scam to prop up the economy ( and the big corporations .. like the banks )
that super will disappear when the markets crash because the fund-managers and government will continue looting
if it was a genuine legal tax dodge it wouldn't need to be compulsory and heavily regulated , the workers would be RUSHING to put in all the spare cash they have
They were only going to take the franking credits of the self managed super funds, not the mainstream super funds.Labor lost the 2019 election in part because they tried to take away franking credits. That change wouldn't have affected that may in the community. Good luck to any government that tries to pinch your super savings!
BRUTAL , but sadly true ,They were only going to take the franking credits of the self managed super funds, not the mainstream super funds.
They want all the super money under their control, they dont want you looking after your money, because they dont see it as your money, they see it as their money that you are holding for them.
If you hold a portfolio of shares and cash outside of super, you will pay tax on its earnings at your marginal tax rate + the medicare levy. This could be up to 47%.BTW it isn't a tax dodge ( for the public )
Many people don't understand that super is a vehicle for holding investments with tax concessions. It is not an asset class.that super will disappear when the markets crash because the fund-managers and government will continue looting
This isn't right. Workers aren't rushing to out their spare cash into super because they are generally not able to access it until they are 60 to 65 years old. It's a legitimate reason not to put spare cash into super in your younger years when you are saving for a house, putting money aside for kid's education etc.if it was a genuine legal tax dodge it wouldn't need to be compulsory and heavily regulated , the workers would be RUSHING to put in all the spare cash they have
Absolutely, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, I said the only reason I started a SMSF was because I can accept losing the money myself, I couldn't live with giving my money to someone else and then lose it.BRUTAL , but sadly true ,
i can't vouch that it was Keating's initial aim for that to happen , but once the government gets a couple of chances to meddle , the result becomes highly likely
look at how often Costello has had to smack hands away from the Future Fund ( with the pollies dreaming they can plunder general revenue later , after their pension fund has been wasted on crazy schemes )
That is comparing someone working and contributing to super, with someone who has retired and is no longer contributing, but is receiving the benefit for not being able to access their money for up to 40 years.If you hold a portfolio of shares and cash outside of super, you will pay tax on its earnings at your marginal tax rate + the medicare levy. This could be up to 47%.
If you hold the exact same shares and cash in super, you will pay zero tax on earnings for a pension account or 15% tax for an accumulation account.
That is a tax dodge.
Many people don't understand, that super is wages they are not getting.Many people don't understand that super is a vehicle for holding investments with tax concessions. It is not an asset class.
Absolutely, but the portfolio outside of super is usually in your control, the portfolio in super suffers the fate of rebalancing and smoothing.When markets crash a portfolio of shares and cash held outside super will suffer the same fate as those same assets held inside super.
Good point IMO.This isn't right. Workers aren't rushing to out their spare cash into super because they are generally not able to access it until they are 60 to 65 years old. It's a legitimate reason not to put spare cash into super in your younger years when you are saving for a house, putting money aside for kid's education etc.
The tax dodge is still there, but having the cash accessible may be more important.
That's not quite right. They were going to stop the cash refunding of franking credits, whether inside or outside super.They were only going to take the franking credits of the self managed super funds, not the mainstream super funds.
That is right, because this is the superannuation thread, not the Labor Party thread, or the franking credit thread, the issue of people earning under the tax threshold or being in a tax free vehicle are two separate issues.That's not quite right. They were going to stop the cash refunding of franking credits, whether inside or outside super.
That is correct IMO.Water under the bridge now, but larger funds probably would have continued to be able to pass excess franking credits on to individual account holders because they would still have had tax to pay on the sum of all their investments.
It is possible that a self managed fund with more than one member could have continued paying cash for franking credits to a member for the same reason.
Not following you here SP. The tax dodge is there for those who are retired and those who are still working.That is comparing someone working and contributing to super, with someone who has retired and is no longer contributing, but is receiving the benefit for not being able to access their money for up to 40 years.
That's true.Many people don't understand, that super is wages they are not getting.
Let's not confuse "super" the investment vehicle with industry super funds or retail super funds.Absolutely, but the portfolio outside of super is usually in your control, the portfolio in super suffers the fate of rebalancing and smoothing.
Re read what you said, I commented that it wasn't a tax dodge, you were comparing someone still working with someone in the pension phase, it isn't a tax dodge it is the laws as they stand.Not following you here SP. The tax dodge is there for those who are retired and those who are still working.
I wasn't, I was comparing money outside of super, with money inside super, I don't know what you are talking about.That's true.
Let's not confuse "super" the investment vehicle with industry super funds or retail super funds.
Which is exactly what I said.You don't have control of the rebalancing and smoothing of super investments in an industry or retail fund, but you do over super investments in an SMSF.
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