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To me the issue is, the super funds have never before been placed in this position, where a large number of members require a relatively small amount of money.
It is usually the other way around, with a very small number of retirees wanting a very small amount and a very large number of younger people are putting more money in every week.
Yet when called upon they are suggesting they may struggle to find the cash, well then isn't that a fees for no service situation? They are paid management fees to ensure there is enough liquidity, after all a 20% cash withdrawal isn't huge and it isn't all the members that will be accessing it.
Even the most volatile growth product offering, from the super fund, would be expected to have 20% cash exposure surely.
What it has highlighted IMO, is that the industry actually in all reality probably doesn't have a clue as to its solvency and as has been proven many times in history they are all winners in a rising market.
The next 12 months will be very interesting IMO, as the super funds have to report actual performance and some may have very interesting results.
Also I bet the regulator, is watching very carefully.
Actually I didn't, I posted an article written by a journalist and made the comment that they can actually do with your money, what they see fit.
What Macro business had to apologies about, was it apparently stated that Hostplus had changed their PDS, which is completely different from what I stated.
Macro business didn't have to retract any of the statement about super being a ponzi scheme, which is the thrust of the issue, we are discussing.
Spot on Junior, as the article I posted re the 'Ponzi" scheme said, SMSF's carry a large cash component, which is probably the reason the push was on to get it rolled over into Industry Funds.Yeah, I mean they have a very valid point here, it is highly unprecedented to suddenly open the floodgates to early withdrawals for so many people. And at the same time, the market has fallen 25%, and unemployment is headed towards 10%+.
However, if you have a huge number of members with small balances, you'd think you'd be running a highly liquid portfolio, primarily consisting shares and bonds. If they have to write-down and sell off part of their Property and Infra assets, I can't fathom how that equates to needing a Government bailout. There's little to no gearing there, they don't have debt issues. They took the strong returns in the good times, now they're going to have to book some losses. Bad luck, that's the game they're in!!
I know, that is what I just answered, re read it your post #2170, I made a comment and posted an article from the SMH.Its what you posted earlier ....When you were spreading fake news
Yeah, I mean they have a very valid point here, it is highly unprecedented to suddenly open the floodgates to early withdrawals for so many people. And at the same time, the market has fallen 25%, and unemployment is headed towards 10%+.
However, if you have a huge number of members with small balances, you'd think you'd be running a highly liquid portfolio, primarily consisting shares and bonds. If they have to write-down and sell off part of their Property and Infra assets, I can't fathom how that equates to needing a Government bailout. There's little to no gearing there, they don't have debt issues. They took the strong returns in the good times, now they're going to have to book some losses. Bad luck, that's the game they're in!!
How many industry funds have gone belly upSpot on Junior, as the article I posted re the 'Ponzi" scheme said, SMSF's carry a large cash component, which is probably the reason the push was on to get it rolled over into Industry Funds.
There is a reason people such as myself carry a high proportion of cash, of it all goes to crap, you still have something left with which to enjoy your retirement.
How many times in the past have retirees, who diligently saved a nest egg, lost it all to some investment company that went belly up?
And, that doesn't mean they are all being run diligently.How many industry funds have gone belly up
I know, that is what I just answered, re read it your post #2170, I made a comment and posted an article from the SMH.
Wasn't it macro business that appologised? I thought i posted an article from the SMH and didn't comment directly to it? Just said it indicated why I started a SMSF, which I stand by.
You really do struggle with debate, don't you.So you started your SMSF on fake news?
You really do struggle with debate, don't you.
I actually started my SMSF in 2007, after the last fiasco.
Been there, done that.It’s not easy when your working
When we apply for early release of our super, does our super fund obtain our bank details automatically from the ATO or will we have to manually provide it to them, assuming they don't have our bank details yet?
So if the industry funds are so illiquid why have they outperformed the retail funds who should of been creaming it with the stock market run of the last few years?
There have been non that I know of and as you say, they have performed extremely well over recent years and may well do into the future.How many industry funds have gone belly up
Good article Humid, everyone's going to take a haircut, just different barbers. Mine is the dividend trim.
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