That was an excellent post Reasons. I too had my doubts about Super when I first started contributing over 20 years ago but I forced myself to put extra in from my salary. This is now paying off big time and I will soon be able to collect and in the mean time I am pumping all surplus cash into it. I like the comment about "at 55 you don’t feel too dead" , I feel pretty fit too right now and can still do back packing adventures and go anywhere I like. 55 and 60 years old isn't as far away as some think, it does creep up on you and who the hell wants to be without that pool of of money that you have putting away for all those years when you need it most? Good luck to you.A low tax environment is great for trading in and compounding your capital more rapidly over the years. I am now teaching my own kids about the benefits and getting them to think long-term about when they want to be generating enough passive income to be self-sufficient and how much they need in today’s money. I don’t want to ever have to rely on the government and I am teaching my kids the same. And like others in this thread, I am here to tell you at 55 you don’t feel too dead and are confident you still have a few months left to travel and spend some money.
My experience is that those that deride Super, who don’t plan and ignore the tax benefits offered, do so at their financial peril.
How much brother???
If they start tinkering with it too much people will just stop putting in. That is what we have to be careful of as we could end up at square 1. Some will not want to contribute and they could blow their money same as before and end up on the gov pension.
You can expect the baby boomers to keep screwing us, they have too many votes and governments listen to that.
As a derider of Super, its more that pay-day is a looong way away, and I would rather 'have' the money, than 'be given it in the distant future'. It is my money, and should not taken out of my hand and into government enforced escrow until my hairs are grey.My experience is that those that deride Super, who don’t plan and ignore the tax benefits offered, do so at their financial peril.
As a derider of Super, its more that pay-day is a looong way away, and I would rather 'have' the money, than 'be given it in the distant future'. It is my money, and should not taken out of my hand and into government enforced escrow until my hairs are grey.
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1) I think that far too many superannuation plans have costs and fees which take too much of the gains being made.
2) Even inside the industry super schemes I feel the ticket clippers managing the myriad share funds are taking too much of the value.
3) I'm not convinced that the super schemes will be able to handle the payout of pensions adequately.
4) I have misgivings about the proposition that the markets and therefore the investors have been as profitable as claimed.
5) I don't trust the financial services industry as a whole.
And our superannuation savings are intrinsically tied up with this game. Any thoughts ?
Well this is more or less why I started this thread. I'm just saying that I am more than capable of saving, without the fist of the government demanding I save for my own good. I probably save more than most anyway, but not for when I am 40 years older, but for when I am 5 years older, and 5 years older after that etc etc.Just so long as you appreciate the magic of compounding returns, dont lose sight of that, those few bucks put away in your early years will return buckets of money when you have only grey hairs. Just run a simple Excel, with different rates of 'interest' returns to remind you.
It dont need to be in Super but it does need to be put away, a consistent small % of what ever you earn. It is a stupidly simple principle of paying yourself first.
Although still many decades away from it, can the nursing home get their hands on your super like they can make you sell your home? when its time to join the club.
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I don't know the answer, (hoping to avoid for quite a few years), but I will not leave it at that until it is too late. There will be ways to minimise any exposure prior to that time and a bit like planning for Super years ahead, there will be trusts or other financial mechanisms that I can invoke well prior to the time that will minimise exposure if that becomes the logical option.
Well this is more or less why I started this thread. I'm just saying that I am more than capable of saving, without the fist of the government demanding I save for my own good. I probably save more than most anyway, but not for when I am 40 years older, but for when I am 5 years older, and 5 years older after that etc etc. .
Also, regarding the compounding returns: yes people are always keen to point out the size of the end-sum. However, people always miss out the end-age. The situation of '10k when you are 20' is arguably more valuable than '1mill when you are 70'. There's always a balance.
'you can't take it to your grave'.
I don't think it's that easy to avoid losing dough when the time comes to go to a home.
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Reasons, I agree with everything you've suggested. On the whole the population is way too passive and unwilling to take responsibility for their own outcomes.
However, I didn't take from Basilio's post that he personally was feeling unable to take charge of his own investing, rather that he was reflecting on the industry as a whole.
Basilio, you might like to comment further here?
My guess, is that if you just guess, you will most certainly lose dough. My experience is that if you ask questions, go talk to accountants and then lawyers if necessary, and do your due dilligence, there most certainly will be a way.
I don't think it's that easy to avoid losing dough when the time comes to go to a home.
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Spot on Julia. ...They either don't have the skills, the time or the inclination to go through the whole box and dice.
The concept of a well run superannuation scheme is that it should be effective at providing a worthwhile savings vehicle for people without them personally having to sweat over the details.
My observations still stand. In effect our superannuation funds look like a bucket we are always filling with water but with a number of holes that just continually reduce the amount of water we save and the overall risk that a clumsy person, a corporate crook or a black swan event will knock the whole thing over.
The answers? I threw up a proposition earlier in this discussion where I suggested that the government should offer a simple super account with a guaranteed return of 3% real (above inflation) …But in fact guaranteeing such a modest return shouldn't be hard to equal or better if the industry was honest and didn't see super as simply a milk cow for their own financial future.
(And frankly if we are not careful those of us who do focus our attention on securing our financial future can become too obsessive - to the detriment of living more rounded lives...)
The rich often use something called a Testamentary Trust which is a will with all the bells and whistles.
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