I'm all for people educating themselves, have harped on about it all through this thread, but to imply that all financial advisers are shonks is a bit unreasonable and unfair to those who genuinely have their clients' interests at heart. To assume they are all like Storm is not right.
i just hope the "advisers" at Storm and particularly Manny and Julie face their day of reckoning for the rubbish they peddled out to people under the guise of "financial advice".
One of the sucked in investors said: "you just trusted him: you didn't have to think about it".Anyone see ABC’s ‘7.30’ program tonight?
Another Storm-style spruiker has been uncovered – a bloke by the name of Peter Spann.
Another bunch of gullible and trusting investors have done their dough.
Another failure on the part of ASIC to close him down before people got burnt.
Just like the Storm Financial mob, this character knew that the one sure way to reel people in is to tell them what they want to hear.
Anyone see ABC’s ‘7.30’ program tonight?
Another Storm-style spruiker has been uncovered – a bloke by the name of Peter Spann.
Another bunch of gullible and trusting investors have done their dough.
Another failure on the part of ASIC to close him down before people got burnt.
Just like the Storm Financial mob, this character knew that the one sure way to reel people in is to tell them what they want to hear.
The mark of the master conman/salesman.....that a lot of people believed and trusted him without reserevation. Just as they did with Cassamatis.One of the sucked in investors said: "you just trusted him: you didn't have to think about it".
Oh my!
Yes but isn't it funny all these guys look and sound the same and why are all scams and shisters out of the gold coast ???
"Queensland beautiful one day full of scammer's the next "
ASIS's report into financial advice from 2010. Pages 13 and 14 may go some way giving an insight why certain groups/profiles seem to get caught up in these scams. The whole report makes an interesting read.
http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/rep224.pdf/$file/rep224.pdf
No no no, IJN, you’ve got it wrong.
Queensland is beautiful every day and full of scammers every day as well. I should know – I’m a born and bred Queenslander!
I could name you many other scammers who have operated or are currently operating here in Queensland. But I’d probably end up in court – so I’ll leave it to the media to sniff them out and publicly expose them – they’re far better than ASIC are at that sort of thing!
This was an interesting point raised in the item last night. ASIC offer the excuse that they are understaffed ad under funded. But, as Neil Jenman said, he can raise awareness of this latest con man, and the journalist could follow it up, coming up with obvious scamming, so why can't ASIC who presumably must have at least equivalent resources?I could name you many other scammers who have operated or are currently operating here in Queensland. But I’d probably end up in court – so I’ll leave it to the media to sniff them out and publicly expose them – they’re far better than ASIC are at that sort of thing!
This was an interesting point raised in the item last night. ASIC offer the excuse that they are understaffed ad under funded. But, as Neil Jenman said, he can raise awareness of this latest con man, and the journalist could follow it up, coming up with obvious scamming, so why can't ASIC who presumably must have at least equivalent resources?
Anyone know anything about these guys. A few of my mates are clients. They are Townsville based . I don't use advisers.
gg
Same story with the Federal police......it's become commonplace to see journos sniffing out crooks and corruption that the FP have missed.
It’s not like this Peter Spann character has only recently arrived on the scene – his wealth creation seminars have been run for at least the last 15 years, maybe longer. And he’s quite a high profile character who surely would have come to ASIC’s attention years ago.
I can’t really explain ASIC’s limited ability to sniff out these dodgy operators. Apparently ASIC themselves can’t offer any reasonable explanation either.
It's the great climate that attracts allot of retirees , ripe for the picking . I wonder if they have similar problems in places like Florida in the USA ?, I've seen TV programs where retirees from the UK are being scammed on the sunny shores of Spain as well.
As you have said financial education is the key , but it may take a few generations to get the message through.
Cheers
IJN
GG never throw that Commodore 64 away , they are highly collectable now and bring good money on E-bay.I enclose the first post on this Storm thread and the last above.
I first researched Storm in October 2008, way before ASIC did.
I did it on a Commodore 64, which I still proudly own.
I cannot see how ASIC can be under resourced, they just have **** for brains, and sit on their arses doing bugger all, all day.
If I can suss out suss shows like Storm on a Commodore 64, I do not see why they cannot do more.
gg
This has been an interesting thread to follow, but I can't help thinking that there are some basic inconsistencies in the Storm story. There are other investment advisers who used a method like Storm, to promote double gearing into the share market (ie property loans used to purchase shares/funds, which is then used as equity for a margin loan). The interesting thing is that they did not all fail like Storm did.
I know of one firm who specialize in this method exclusively (AFAIK), and successfully managed their clients through the GFC. I know of another firm who also endorse this double gearing method, and still operate today. The former had trigger points to act on, in a falling market, and did so reducing client exposure in increments along the way. They are still operating under the same type of plan as Storm today. As far as I understand, none of their clients were margined out. What this tells me is that the Storm model was not basically flawed, as seems to be the conclusion the media and a lot of forum contributors believe. Storm failed their clients, because they went too far with their gearing, and did not implement a strategy to manage a falling market. To put all proponents of a Storm type model in the same basket, and accuse them all of being shonkies, when some of them have looked after their clients investments well, would be an injustice.
Just thought I'd put a bit of balance to the discussion, but don't think for a moment I condone Storm's actions, lack of actions and deals with banks, that their clients knew nothing about.
Storm promoted that they had a strategy in place, if the market went into decline. It seems quite possible that they did have a strategy (since other planners did), but chose not to use it.
The whole enquiry into Storm seemed to conclude that Storm's computer system could not provide accurate data on portfolio valuations...so was completely useless. To me this is total garbage! The funds tracked the major indicies, so a very good indication of clients positions could be easily assessed, at any moment in the day. Certainly, this would have been just just as useful as accurate data, when the market was falling quickly.
I know the group is much smaller but is there any additional information for investors that meet the criteria of being "class members" of the Levitts settlement agreement with MBL?
I know a few who did not sign up with Levitts but would meet the "member" status.
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